Ted Cruz quits Republican race; Trump is presumptive nominee

I guess that the other candidates will still be on the ballot? Since Cruz was doing well in Indiana until he started campaigning there, maybe he and Kasich will do better going forward?

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Aw, cā€™mon. They previously decided that Sarah Palin was White House material, able to take over running the country if McCain had a bad day. This might actually be a step up!

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Regarding the actual decision I really doubt it. It feels different because of the scheduling, but in the end it has pretty much the same effect as voting in a state that doesnā€™t end up making a difference in a single-day election.

I assume that in addition to symbolic considerations they still have to choose the actual delegates though.

I canā€™t believe Iā€™m saying this but even Palin had more relevant experience than Trump. He is the first major-party-nominee in American history with zero record of public service.

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On a single-day election, even if a winner is declared before polls close in some states, those states STILL had a say in the election. The decision to declare a winner still factors in the probable results from the remaining states. Their votes are still included in the final results and their individual votes carried the same weight as the individual votes from anywhere else.

In the primaries however, the remaining states didnā€™t get any say. All the candidates except Trump dropped out before they could vote.

I can see some states moving their primaries to earlier dates in future elections, just so that they can have any say at all. Because apparently American elections arenā€™t long enough.

Oh my goodness that video is funny. It would take a slapstick master to pull that off on purpose.

I think itā€™s an Anglo thing.

From the article:

Caused me more than once to say ā€œwaitā€¦we ARE the stupid party?ā€

I give Clinton Neutral Evil

Lawful Neutral would prosecute Goldman Sachs CEOs for fraud

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Itā€™s this way every four years.:grimacing: I really wish California would move up its primary because I get tired of not having a choice when June comes around.

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I assume youā€™re counting military service. Wendell Wilkie just about scrapes a pass.

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But isnā€™t that mostly an illusion? Sure, if you cast your vote in a single-day election that ends in a landslide before the results are in, then you can tell yourself that you had your say in that, but the result would have been the same no matter who you voted for. It would have been different if enough people had voted differently, but thatā€™s still the case in a spread-out election like this one.

Now if you argue that it is symbolically significant if Trump won narrowly or in a landslide and they should continue to record votes for that reason, then I am more inclined to agree.

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I posted a related question in the Sanders thread which depends on this more fundamental question:

Now that Drumpf is the last GOP candidate, isnā€™t it true there are no Reaganesque conservative options for the 2016 election?

Whatever other horrors Drumpf brings, his nomination also represents GOP repudiation of all the candidates aligned with Reagan Classic coalition economics.

Sanders is free to negotiate a tougher platform and agenda because there are no ā€œconservativeā€ choices left. Well . . . HRC is really the most conservative choice left from an economic perspective. Thereā€™s no delusional deficit and regulation-cutting ā€œconservativeā€ left on any ballot for POTUS.

The Dem platform must now focus on working households. Thereā€™s a mandate to discuss new economic policies to help working households.

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Or Bernie, who wants to stop the bus, and let us all off so we can take up our torches and pitchforks. Maybe thatā€™s a little out there, but at least Bernie doesnā€™t want to destroy the bus. Or something.

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Nope. The illusion is that you didnā€™t have a say. That reality is that your vote carried the same weight as everyone else. The only difference being the order in which they were counted, but that order didnā€™t affect the outcome. The polls could have closed in reverse order, and the votes counted in reverse order, and the outcome wouldnā€™t change. Your vote could carry the exact same weight.

These primaries are different. With all but Trump out of the race, the remaining states get no say in the outcome. Had they voted earlier they might have given one of the other candidates a boost, making them seem viable and keeping them in the race. Hold the primaries in reverse order, and the outcome could have changed.

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Ok, I agree that the order can make a difference. I thought you meant that the other candidates dropping out now took their meaningful vote away from the remaining states.

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Obama has been governing a little to the right of Reagan. Much more fiscally conservative, less in favor of gun control, a little less in favor of foreign military entanglements, less in favor of big government, etc.

So if Hillary continues Obamaā€™s policies, going just a little to the left and running up larger debts, thereā€™s your Reaganesque conservative.

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Nope. I mean that the system of primaries as a whole disenfranchised a bunch of states.

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Bernie? He wants to stop the bus, let as many people on as possible, perhaps get more buses, then navigate them to a destination that people who need buses want to reach.

Not as funny as the rest, except when you consider that so many want to stop him, but most of them want to stop him so that someone else who polls worse than Bern can save us all from a quick end in favour of a slow end. That tharā€™s some hi-larious tragedeh

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Yep. Military service, elected office or appointed officeā€”every U.S. major Presidential candidate served their country in at least one of these ways, often all three.

Until now. As far as I can tell Trump never even attended a PTA meeting until he decided he deserved to be President.

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Reread what you just wrote and let it sink in more:

HRC is the closest thing to an economic conservative still in the POTUS race. Thereā€™s no unified national consevative movement on her right any more.

The national movement with whom HRC must bargain is now on her left for economic issues.

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