…I’m interested to hear more!
@jlw could do it, though he might currently be incapacitated by Almond Joy earworms.
It is getting hard to keep all these nevertrumpers straight. One of the best current sources of antitrump videos (and other snark) is Bill Kristol’s twitter feed; Kristol, aka “Dan Quayle’s brain”, is one of the guys who created neoconservatism, and has been wrong on practically everything for 40 years. I was gobsmacked to learn that he has no connection to the Lincoln Project, though it seems exactly like something he would have come up with.
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The problem isn’t Trump, it is the fact that he was elected.
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It’s both. It took a sick country to make Trump a viable candidate but he’s also been dragging the country into ever-darker territory ever since.
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I know the majority is always wrong, but I’d assume that the majority of US voters would agree that HRC is progressive. Biden, maybe too.
So I’m curious, what are the criteria by which you decide whether or not someone is a progressive?
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Whether they agree with Bernie on 100% of things, and/or mouth the right buzzwords currently popular among the Very Online Leftists?
FWIW, I’m most certainly far more to the left that Bernie, and I think that in the US of A, HRC counts as a progressive, and Biden probably too.
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Not being a card-carrying “Third Way” member is a a good start.
You can be exactly as skeptical as you like, but I’ll note that I have backup for my assertions; no, it’s NOT just me or a small group of people, as you so clearly would like to imply. Your assumption about the “majority” is just that: unsupported and unsupportable assumption that you’d prefer to be true (and as even you admit, wouldn’t mean much if it was).
And so on; this is just a sampling from many sources of varying provenance. Where’s YOURS?
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There are people to the left of Bernie who do not agree with him on 100% of things. Are they not progressives?
Sanders looks to be a borderline Soc-Dem/Dem-Soc, and I don’t see the evidence that he is more left wing than he appears like the Sandernistas claim.
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Of course there are. I was making a snarky joke about how, in online discussions, people have a whole bunch of different, and frequently ill-defined, ideas of what is progressive and what isn’t. Furthermore, a lot of the time the arguments about people being progressive or not are not based on their actual voting records or policy goals, but rather on memes, election propaganda, and poorly informed wishful thinking.
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Bernie is pretty middle-of-the-road, as far as “liberalism” is defined globally. For the US? Pretty far Left. Yeah, you’ve pretty much nailed it, BUT “liberalism”, as well as “progressivism” and “socialism”, just isn’t the same beast in the US.
@LurksNoMore Biden’s record socially is a mixed bag, but economically he’s full-on neoliberal, so there’s that. If he was just a little more inappropriate with women and wasn’t pro-choice, he’d be completely indistinguishable from a Reagan-era moderate Republican, before the full-on Trumpian lemming dive over the cliff.
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Correct.
But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left.
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sure, if history doesn’t exist and words have no meanings
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I guess this 538 article can be forgiven for relying on concrete measures rather than on gut feelings.
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Biden should drop out and they should nominate Clinton again. It’ll be great.
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Shouldn’t your text be followed with a ‘/s’ ???
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“Political reasons” meaning “Massachusetts has a Republican governor, and he gets to pick the person who takes her seat if she leaves the Senate,” but yes.
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To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.
That’s a broken way to work out ideology, particularly the voting record part where following the Democratic party line is seen as more left wing than voting against it for socialist reasons.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is liberal, but liberal is not left wing. The left wing of capitalism, maybe. The Democratic party are having an outside context problem regarding the growing support of the real left and they are not handling it well.
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This is one of those rare circumstances where, if you need the /s, it wasn’t intended; while if you don’t need the /s, it was.
