Who do you prefer?
While I’m not enamored of Warren’s attempts to be folksy, I think she’s the one who’s been hammering the hardest about systemic inequalities (besides Bernie) long before we were cursed with the circus peanut. Note I’m not saying “she has always”. I think she’s evolved a little.
In a future world, I’d much prefer AOC. If a democrat wins 2020, they should look into ways “The Squad” can help the administration address our mess.
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Yup. And things shes said that seem to indicate that she sees the correct role of the justice and penal systems as punitive. I do not see her as pro-reform on judicial or law enforcement issues, and reform has to happen there part and parcel to correcting America’s many social inequities.
That said, after Warren she’s all around the least objectionable Democrat with a shot at the nom, and heads and shoulders better than the current situation or even Biden.
I look at it this way. I’m not a Democrat. Never have been, almost certainly never will. But bet your bottom dollar I’ll vote in the primary and then whoever wins will get my vote in the general.
I’ll add, because I think it’s otherwise often assumed to be so in our popular cliquish culture, that my opinions of her, Warren and the other Democratic candidates are based on what I think about their policy positions and expressed or likely views. Though I’m not ignoring that the nominee will also be heading into a popularity contest they need to win among voters to whom that matters, which is most.
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Sure. Go ahead and explain what you believe the importance of those concerns are.
Next, I’d be interested to hear which Democratic candidate you believe to be without electoral weaknesses.
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Biden and Bernie are too old for this shit. Harris and Warren seem the least unappealing. I just wonder if Tramp will live to face either?
Carter was the last Dem candidate I voted for. I’m an old rad-lb… in California so I don’t really matter. My Peace & Freedom and Green votes are flooded out by Dems here. In Arizona, I’d be swamped by GOPs. So I vote dissident. Do I matter? Do you?
I like Bernie, though I’m not a big fan of some of his supporters, but I agree he’s too old. I’d actually love a Warren/Sanders ticket, but the problem is similar since the main job of the Veep is to outlive the POTUS.
Well, I live in Texas, so I’m as unlikely as any red-state resident to be in a position to hand the Dem nom any electoral college votes. But while winning just the popular vote won’t get anyone elected, winning the popular vote and by how much will have repercussions on both the behavior of the losing party and the mandate handed to the winner. So yes, I still think it matters and I won’t give in to voter apathy. If nothing else I owe it to my fellow non-fascist Americans to stand with them.
In the primary I can have more of a direct impact. As I can in state and especially local Austin elections. I’m not among those greatly impeded by the antidemocratic electioneering roadblocks the GOP tirelessly works to implement, so failing to take the time to cast my vote and demonstrate that I actually give a shit about a fascist takeover would be contemptible and mighty petty of me.
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Don’t be a dumbass. Pick a fucking side; you aren’t Switzerland.
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Gonna be Biden/Somebody Centrist, so Tom Perez can sleep at night. The party won’t let anything else happen. Remember how they torpedoed Bernie last time, even though he was by far more electable than Hilary.
Give me a break. (Or less propaganda). She went against her own office recommendations and didn’t prosecute Mnuchin. In 2014, if I recall correctly, she laughed when asked if she’d support legalized cannabis in California for recreational use. She arrested mothers whose children were truant and didn’t show up enough to their crappy high school. She’s awful.
Then vote for Tulsi Gabbard. Like duh. Why hold Sander’s age against him? You want to date him or something? It’s about honesty, clarity, ideas and concern for the average American. Not how effing old you are.
Sorry, if Harris get the nomination I won’t be voting Democrat (regardless definitely won’t vote Republican).
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Because average life expectancy in the US is around 78 years, and most of us suffer a significant level of physical and cognitive decline before that. Which is pretty much the whole theoretical justification for our Social Security system.
Which is not to say that Bernie’s age is a deal-breaker, but it would be naive to ignore it as a factor.
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I’d vote for Kamala Harris. Actually there is no one with any policies which are as bad as Trump espouses and supports now in the Democratic lineup.
I’d like to see President Trump’s birth certificate. There is just something inherently Un-American in his whole persona. Oh, and the financial records as well. It doesn’t seem someone who can’t even get a casino to generate money could possibly be a billionaire.
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What exacly did Tom Perez do last time? And what is the mechanism by which you think the DNC leadership will force the primary voters to elect Biden?
By reducing the choices. Don’t you remember what they did to Bernie in NYC? As for Perez:
I’ve noticed that a person’s level of outrage over 2016 primaries is pretty much inversely related to their understanding of the primary process and what actually went on there.
I remember seeing all those outraged Sanders fans who very clearly didn’t have a clue about how the Democratic primary worked; and considering that I’m a foreigner who watches US politics as a spectator sport, them being more clueless than me was not a good sign.
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Good thing they don’t have the authority to do that.
If by “they” you mean Wasserman Schultz and Brazile, they’re gone. Ousted. And Perez became leader on the explicit platform of not being like them. The video you gave was Perez trying to pander to Sanders supporters in order to get the job, it is the antithesis of evidence that he is somehow interested in rigging the nomination. (Moreover, he almost immediately said he misspoke and that what he meant was “we can’t have a primary process where it is even perceived that a thumb was on the scale.”)
I remember seeing all those outraged Sanders fans who very clearly didn’t have a clue about how the Democratic primary worked
I was a Sanders supporter in 2016, and I do agree with others that the early commitment of the superdelegates to HRC gave her an early edge. This time around the rules have been changed to minimize the supers’ influence. There were certainly also irregularities and outright favoritism on the part of DWS et al, though not in any way that led to a material advantage for HRC (however much they might have wanted it to) outside of the fevered imagination of some disappointed BS supporters. The reality is that the DNC leadership has very little actual power between the time rules are set and the convention.
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