News about ICE and Border Patrol bastardry is getting lost in the wash of general fascist chaos.
So, here is the thread to remind people about the serious and immediate danger facing eleven million Americans.
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/909836080832176128
https://twitter.com/jun0ooo0oooo00o/status/909929623261134848
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i use either âamericansâ or âu.s. residentsâ when iâm speaking about everyone who lives here for the long term. i see nothing exceptional or silly about the above usage.
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Its just Humpty Dumpty linguistics for political ends
Depends on whether you view the noun âAmericanâ as reference to a culture or a nationality. An national is, by legal definition, a citizen of .
Personally, Iâm still a bit confused by the concept of nationality because Iâve also read that nation refers to a stable, cohesive populace with a political and cultural identity and that this is entirely separate from the state, hence the seemingly but not at all redundant term nation-state.
âUndocumented U.S. citizenâ is definitely an oxymoron* so Iâm assuming @Wanderfound is viewing âAmericanâ as a cultural rather than legal term.
*Well, maybe not. See @tinoesrohoâs comment just below.
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Not a contradiction in terms. Parts of the US did not have proper records until the 80s on account of archives burning.
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Well, you know what some people on the far right say - America - love it or leave it.
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i suppose seeing only what one wants to see is humpty dumpty optics for political ends as well. iâve seen my usage of the termâi.e. applying to all long term residents-- as well as seeing it used to apply to all residents in general in multiple contexts. you seem to be taking exception to something that seems unexceptionable from my reading of newspapers, blog posts, and articles.
and iâm not just talking about readings from the liberal end of the spectrum, i keep up with current conservative thinking (speaking of oxymorons) as well.
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In any event, the demonyn, american, refers to a resident of North or South America. That is how the term is understood outside of the border of the United States. That is also why the Spanish language demonym for those people in the US is not americano/a, itâs estadounidense, or aometimes, pendejo/a.
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The DREAMers are indeed undocumented Americans, in that they were born in the U.S. to parents who werenât citizens (and thus donât have access to proper citizenship documents of their own) and who grew up as Americans in America [ETA: without the recollection of their birth lands that their parents might have]. Another example of the concept is the veteran who doesnât have citizenship papers or a green card â hard to claim that an undocumented person whoâs willing to lay down his life for the U.S. isnât in some way an American.
Iâm not sure why this is confusing to people, but then again I donât understand the religious rightâs approach to the issue. I realise that they enjoy pissing on liberals in general but itâs worth pointing out that âfamily-firstâ religious fundamentalism is paradoxical to, yâknow, separating families and making children suffer for the sins of their parents.
In the end, I suppose putting the Invisible Bearded Humpty Dumpty back together again (and again and againâŚ) in the service of their politics involves more than the usual amount of expeditious picking and choosing.
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Youâre thinking of the wrong group. The DREAMers are generally people who were brought over as children by undocumented parents and then do, as you said, â[grow] up as Americans in Americaâ.
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Thanks. Iâll make the correction
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Letâs please avoid descending into a massive pedantic derail over the title of the topic versus the rather more important substance therein.
Thank you.
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