Am I “double fisting” the drinks or is that you?
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No more and no less than they’re forcing you to set your watch to anything in particular. I have never once had a brute squad show up to reset my clocks for me. (Too bad, it would be convenient.)
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Me.
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See you at the Bar.
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Wait, just because we don’t like changing clocks doesn’t mean we suddenly believe it should be on employees to keep working conditions safe, does it? That’s exactly the sort of thing we want governments to regulate. It doesn’t mean we have to play with the time, but I’d like there’s some better option than hoping bosses will care to be accommodating.
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Sweet.
So the extra hour we gain in October we get to keep forever!!!
[ETA: OH CRAP!!! it’s the opposite, we lose an hour forevverrrrr!]
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It’s not even funny.
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There are a few places you can easily see it work this way in “the real world”. The easiest to show is how banks in the central time zone have traditionally closed at the same time as banks in the eastern time zone. Not at the same hour as shown on the clock, but at the actual same time. If banks in New York close at 4pm EST then banks in Chicago will close at 3pm CST so that the close is done at the same time.
Modern banking has mostly ended the need to remember this, but when I was young you had to remember what time banks closed business if you wanted to get you paycheck in before the weekend.
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All of the US Senate, at least. Just when we thought bipartisanship was dead…
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Neither standard time or daylight saving time reflects sidereal time. SIDEREAL time would mean that the various stars would rise at the same time every day, but the sun rises earlier ever day. Indeed there is one extra sidereal day per year, because the day is slightly shorter. Sidereal time is occasionally used by astronomers, and used to be used by people doing celestial navigation.
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Which makes me wonder whether the support for “always standard time” and “always daylight saving time” are different in the central and mountain time zones than in eastern and pacific. If everything is normally an hour earlier in central and mountain time zones, they might be more likely to support “permanent standard time.”
edited to add: Or, for that matter, whether respondents are on the east, or west end of a time zone.
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With respect, time zones are important to us. We’re connected to the mainland in the sense that many of us conduct some form of business with the mainland, and a 2 hour shift and 3 hour shift are not interchangeable. It also impacts lfestyle, for example it leaves less time for surfing before work and it shifts prime time TV (which is broadcast here in pacific time) even earlier into the afternoon.
Me, I usually like the extra hour of time difference, as I am often in seminars in Europe where the extra hour means getting to bed before 3AM, but I think I’m in the minority here. Moreover, next month I have a conference where the first talk is at 6AM my time; without DST on the mainland that would be a still-awful-but-more-civilized 7AM.
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But don’t you see?
Tacos are now a bad idea.
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Wait, what? The sun rises after 8am in the middle of winter on standard time… it’ll rise after 9 with permanent DST. That alone would kick SAD up a few notches.
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This is also an example of the downsides of the proposed solution of having local businesses and schools set their own seasonal working hours. Imagine the situation where we never change clocks, but the bank starts closing at 4pm on march 1. Schools start classes at 7:30 on march 12. The local government offices shift their hours on the first day of spring, except for the public library which changes on April 1. The supermarket doesn’t change their hours at all. About half of office jobs don’t change their working hours seasonally while the other half mostly shift their hours on March 12, but half the families live in the next town over where housing is more affordable and their schools use a different schedule.
This, according to some would be a simpler and preferable alternative to the government declaring clock changes twice a year. This is obviously nonsense, and seasonal business hour changes are never going to become commonplace and are not a practical alternative to DST clock changes.
To be clear, I’m not arguing that DST on balance is good or bad. I think I will personally prefer year round DST as the senate has passed while year round standard time would unquestionably be better for health and safety. But good or bad, DST time changes are the only practical way to have wide spread seasonal schedule changes because we live in a collective society where everybody has schedules. In fact, a lot of the complaints here are about how DST non-uniformity causes schedules to not line up consistently across different countries.
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Then let them split in ways that make sense?
Then pick a TZ that works best for you. If they aren’t changing their TZ, you won’t need to change yours, no? So, to be clear, I’m not telling you what TZ to pick, pick one that works for you. I just want mine to be as close to ‘sun at noon’ as possible.
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Fuuuck that. 9 am sunrise so you can have a half hour of twilight to commute home in.
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Needs more likes. Just start work when they want you to start / you want to start. Call it what you want but agree on a UTC time.
