Oops, wrong jargon. Please mentally substitute with the appropriate jargon. It’s been a long week. Wait, it’s only Tuesday?
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Same. I also remember kids walking to school in the dark would more frequently be hit by cars.
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rant/ I’m in Maryland and most kids get the morning bus in the dark from November to March. Just because it will still be dark outside when 2nd period starts isn’t going to mean a damn thing if we go to year round DST. The problem isn’t the clock-- the problem is starting high school at 7:45 AM and bus stop times as early as 6:10 AM for our far-flung students.
And give me a break about little kids shivering at the bus stop in the dark. In my county it seems like 90% of the parents drive their snowflakes to school or to and from the bus stop. Let’s just start school later.
And I’m fine if we switch to DST all the time or go with Standard Time just so long as we leave it alone once we switch. /rant
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Unfortunately, whatever our clock says, we can’t change the number of hours between when the sun rises and when businesses choose to operate on the mainland. I’m not saying that the latter shouldn’t have the choice to choose whatever schedule suits them best, I’m only saying that the assertion that
HI doesn’t care as it has no neighbors and is close enough to the equator that it makes little difference to them.
is not correct. We care, it is a huge difference for us whether the mainland is in DST or not.
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Wait wait I figured it out and I have the solution!
I’m going back to third shift!
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There are two parts to this, I believe. One is the difference to the amount of sun light before and after ‘work’ due to TZ choices. HI is close enough to the equator that there is normally a long enough day that a small shift will make no practical difference–it will be light out in both cases.
The other part is the relative TZ to the mainland (Pacific time seems to be your main concern). If unless you change your base TZ, wether we pick Standard time or Daylight time for everyone will not change the difference in time between HI and Pacific TZ. They will both shift one way or the other. Short of moving HI a few thousand miles East, we can’t make you any closer in TZ to the mainland.
If you are saying that CA/WA/OR have to be in Standard time so that HI can be in Daylight time because it makes things easier for HI is a hell of an ask. I simply don’t see what your arguement is between us all picking Standard time or us all picking Daylight time. That’s not going to change the offset between HI and the mainland. So, no, the choice of Standard time or Daylight time does not effect HI.
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Holy hell the whataboutism in this topic might just break a record here on the BBS. And that is quite the accomplishment.
As someone who manages staff in the US, Canada, Berlin (they don’t change for two more weeks!) and India (they don’t change at all!), It’s time to end this madness, and hopefully this change by the US is the catalyst to do so everywhere.
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After willmore has managed to post nearly 15% of the posts in this topic, a new Badge was required. Congrats!
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Did you even read my post before replying? I specifically said that
I’m not saying that the latter shouldn’t have the choice to choose whatever schedule suits them best
My only point is that what the mainland does in this regard is of concern to us. And your notion of “no practical difference” is not necessarily ours.
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Speaking of the cost of tea in China, China only has one time zone. It is the same time now in Shanghai as it is in Kunming, which is 2,300 kilometers west of Shanghai. I’m surprised this hasn’t come up, what with all the talk about just doing away with time zones.
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I would think the US Senate has far more pressing matters to deal with than fucking up the sleep schedules of millions of Americans, especially since one of the co-founders of this bill is as I understand it one of that legislative body’s biggest idiots.
Standard Time is the only way I operate.
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If people in Maine don’t want to go to work when it’s dark outside then I leave it to the people of Maine to figure out what solution works best for them and leave the people of Florida out of it.
I mean hell—look at Alaska. Barrow doesn’t get any daylight at all for two months out of the year, but the Federal government doesn’t dictate what time their businesses should open and close, let alone force the people of Hawaii to adjust their clocks to compensate.
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Presumably those systems already broke when DST was extended in the US relatively recently, or to cope with half-hour time zones, or when states change, or, or, or…
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And for those of you with school age children, in the winter they will be going to school in the dark
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Because it’s easier to get the votes for permanent DST, since we’re already on it ⅔ of the time, and individual states can still opt for permanent Standard Time instead (like Arizona) if they want
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I’m not that far north, and I clearly remember going to school in the pitch dark and cold on December mornings.
(Uphill there and back, of course)
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I wrote the timezone handling code for an email server a long ass time ago, so I remember dealing with all the oddball time zones, some that are off of the hour intervals by 30 or even 15 minutes. I also remember China being one time zone. It was a pain in the ass - this was before tzdata was as pervasive as it was now, and of course I had to support windows, unix/linux and macs.
I wonder, how does china do it? Surely not everyone works “9 to 5” right? Like on the west coast of china they must start work at like… noon or something? Or the east coast starts “really early” by the clock?
I feel like it would get annoying if you travel, having to remember what time banks open and stuff. But if you mostly stay in one place, probably no bid deal.
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I have long hoped for an end to the seasonal shifting of the clocks. I do NOT want us to stick with DST. I also do NOT want us to stick with STD time.
Split the difference. Either spring forward, or fall back 30 minutes next time and STAY THERE.
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That is quite the accomplishment; what a… fascinating way for someone to choose to pass the time.
*shrugz
One more thing to love about living in my area; the school district here switched to having classes start between 8:40 and 9am.
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