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It’s fairly safe to say that the death toll is above 100, fire chiefs have said that they don’t expect to find any more survivors. Unless there are some survivors who made it out healthy enough to just wander off and not tell anyone that they survived, of course.
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Really ??? I don’t see how that’s possible, what the hell did she do ? (Or not do ???)
I’m sorry but that is the most idiotic thing i have read from a politician. And Trump has been tweeting a lot lately.
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I don’t think it’s got anything to do with incompetence, the people investigating this have a difficult job to do, and it’s going to take them a while to do it properly.
I’ve been deliberately trying to avoid the political/media fallout from this, the immediate politicisation of this and the sensationalist media grief-porn I find really disturbing to be honest, was watching a bit of the Channel 4 news earlier and it was very hard to watch, the presenters seemed to be trying to get the interviewees even more riled up and emotional than they already were.
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I don’t feel Schadenfreude myself, but I feel a vicarious pleasure at the sight of someone else’s schadenfreude.
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There is speculation that the authorities used D notices to prevent publicity about the death toll. Journalists are unable to confirm or refute the speculation (because the first rule of D-Notice Club is not being able to talk about D-Notice Club).
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For those of us not in the UK: DSMA-Notice - Wikipedia
Basically a “voluntary” censorship system for media outlets in the UK. You’re allowed to not comply, but there’s, if I recall, a certain expectation that if you don’t comply, good luck getting the government to work with you.
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Just leak the info to US journalists or journalists abroad. Done.
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That’s actually created awkward situations for networks in the past; important stuff about the UK is being talked about via US media and they can’t report on it.
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It’s a silly situation that only underscores how important it is to have strong protections for the press to report what they need to report on, hopefully this will change
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You get bellowed at when you expect people to pull them selves up by their bootstraps with their stiff upper lips.
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‘And now more than 75 people — a total the authorities have consistently attempted to obfuscate — are missing after the fire’
Sorry, I don’t understand the point Rob is making here.
The police have only ever released the number of people that they know about. It isn’t compulsory in the UK to keep officials informed of your location, so no one actually knows how many people were in the building; only that so far 30 people are confirmed dead and that police know of about 70 people who are still missing.
The death toll will rise, but the UK authorities are always very slow to release numbers of casualties and their names as bodies are recovered and identified. The police and fire brigades have said the block is in a very unstable condition and that the dead may either be buried in rubble or so badly burned they might not be recognisable.
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From what I can tell, from the other side of the pond - flailed in response to Brexit, claiming to have a strong plan to deal with it (but not telling anyone what it is), calling a general election and then spending all the time before the election refusing to speak, the Tories coming up with some really unpopular positions with their core demographic, motivated young people to register and vote (against the Tories) in record numbers, further flailing after having blown the election that lost the Tory majority, allying with the fringe extremists DUP to maintain power (which in turn causes all sorts of problems, like potentially restarting the conflict in Northern Ireland), and now finally this completely avoidable fire which killed many dozens of people and can be laid firmly at the feet of the Tories, to which she’s again not having an effective or empathetic response. In sum, the Tories, and May in particular, have managed to really piss off everyone who isn’t part of their base, but also alienate their base. I suspect her base pays slightly more attention to reality than Trump’s supporters do, as well.
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Hurries to her car.
An angry, bellowing crowd.
That would do it.
Wow, that stuff is completely suspicious, I’ve seen what i think was the last PM Q’s and she makes little effort to actually amswer questions, it makes sense now
Some here are, frankly, indulging a comforting illusion: in general that the obvious be held to forensic standards of evidence, and in particular that the authorities don’t know if someone’s dead until they sift their teeth out the ashes.
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I don’t get it.
Don’t all of those people like the cake that she let them eat?
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Seems stupid to panic at this time. The PM just has to follow the standard disaster response playbook. She can demand reports from the responsible authorities, then hold a press conference in a weeks time stating something like we have identfied 214 buildings with similar cladding. This is what we are doing about the problem today, and this is what we are doing about it over the next two years. It doesn’t seem hard. Just straightforward management.
The ongoing theme of the most powerful throughout history is the opposite of this.
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