Watch Prime Minister May hurry to her car as an angry crowd bellows at her

I’d pay serious money to play fly on the wall in Brexit negotiations starting Monday.

She really strengthened her hand for the negotiations with the snap election and this unfolding disaster. /s

Shooting your own foot seems the new standard MO of british politics. It’s kind of hilarious looking at it (UK politics, not the fire) from the outside.

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  1. What is “the obvious”?
  2. Procedures considering forensic standards of evidence are not a comforting illusion but necessary for various ethical, practical and legal reasons.
    This is now basically a crime scene. People have died, and it must be established as precise as possible how, when and why that happened.
    Right now nobody is in any position to even be sure of how many persons were inside the building at the time. There is no log of the comings and goings of the residents and their visitors. It will take a couple of days at best to come up with a probable number, which will still have a margin of error. You do not want any false positives when pronouncing people dead.
    In a fire like this, there will be cases where it is difficult to tell human remains from burnt rubble. When several people burned huddled together, it will be difficult to tell them apart from each other.
    When families die together, the exact time of death can be important in matters regarding inheritance, including who will take care of any surviving children (or parents).
    It must be determined how and where the fire exactly started, and how it spread. Mainly to find ways to prevent anything like it happening again. This will be discussed for years amongst experts and work its way into building codes, industry standards and the legal framework. This has to be done properly in order to work. Well documented evidence is part of that.

There is more, but frankly, this is getting too depressing to carry on.

TL;DR: there are good and valid reasons to proceed in this manner.

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Edit: (1950’s, apologies for the racist stereotypes.)

Don’t temp him

Meanwhile:

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Meanwhile

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/16/most-of-central-london-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal

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limited-liability makes sense if you have a genuinely small business. I know someone who was badly advised and lost a lot of their own money when their games company went bankrupt in the 80s.

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Can’t they divert some of the 350 millions a week to this hospital to prevent the sell off?

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She’s a personally unlikeable character trying incompetently - and failing - to defend the indefensible Tory policies that put corporate interests ahead of the interests of citizens. It’s not surprising she didn’t want to answer questions - she knew enough to know she didn’t have good answers.

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This is off topic but is any of the food in the UK GMO ? I remember that came up in one of the PM Q’s where a guy from Labour asked something along the lines of " will you sign a trade deal that imports GMO food from America " she said something like " won’t allow food standards to go down because of America "

So i was left with the conclusion that the UK is eating nothing less than organic

Honestly, that’s something that very much surprised me about the casualty estimating: Between London’s attempt to build the world’s shiniest surveillance network and the fact that records of rental, ownership, and primary residence are pretty standard paperwork; I would have expected a much tighter “This is about how many people we suspect were in the building” figure to have been available fairly quickly.

Actually grovelling through the building and doing a precise count will obviously take a lot longer; but the amount of “well, we aren’t really sure how many residents we are talking about here” seems really, really, weird.

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Like most of Europe they don’t commercially grow any (yet) - they import US soy and corn (i.e. GMO corn and soy) for animal feed, and even that’s somewhat controversial.

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The UK lets the unwashed masses get shockingly close to the prime minister. That would never do in the USA.

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Probably because it has been over 200 years since the last (and only) successful assassination of a prime minister.

The PM is also an MP so they will do constituency surgeries where people can talk to the prime minister personally (assuming they live in the same constituency).

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Also we don’t have the same proliferation of firearms as the US, so the risk is much lower. - all she’s risking is having an egg or tomato thrown

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The scale of the death toll.

Well, you can take it up with the authorities, since they’ve now acknowledged it (at least 58 or more dead) despite the persistence of the factors you so verbosely wrung your hands over.

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Here’s Frankie Boyle’s take on Theresa May. Worth a watch

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Wut!?

First of all they didn’t acknowledge ‘it’, seeing ‘it’ was lots of widely inflated figures people were claiming the government were conspiratorially covering things up, even you yourself suggested it was more than 75 people, others initially suggested over a hundred people had died (I saw one claim of over 200), and when various media outlets pointed out that was rubbish, it was claimed to be some kind of establishment cover up.

Secondly, the authorities have done what they always do in these situations, what you were originally complaining about them doing. They take their time to investigate and don’t give firm figures until they have firm figures. They can now with a high degree of confidence talk about who is missing, and likely to be among the dead, who they may never fully be able to identify, but at this point they have at least been able to fully identify everyone who lived there, and everyone who is missing via the relatives, not something they would have been able to do in the days after the accident.

There was never any deliberate attempt to mislead of obfuscate anything, it has played out exactly how it always plays out in these situations, whether it’s a natural disaster, accident or terrorist attack.

There’s lots of things to be outraged about in this incident, cost cutting from the landlord, council incompetence, government ignoring warnings from safety inspectors, etc., but nobody was covering anything up about who had died.

Edit: and it should be noted they’re not finished investigating, and the number could still rise. they’ve confirmed what they can confirm at this point.

Some things are different. Eggs in the UK are inoculated against Salmonella.