"Weapons-grade femininity"

It is seen as a threat by some men. In particular, man babies.
These men understand maleness to be an identity, that is, not a way to identify who they are, but an identity that must be adopted and maintained. This identity is not an emergent property of someone who identifies as male nor does it have anything to do with biology. It needs to be conferred by an outside other, it must be proved.
This way of looking at the world means that not all men are men, only those that can prove they are men get to be accepted as men. Its like a drivers license, except there’s no centralized governing body, the standards for maleness are encoded into culture and are internalized silently over a period of many years.
It also means that since your status as a man is now completely dependent on maintaining an identity for others to approve of, it is dependent of maintaining a facade, then whoever is in control of affirming your manhood is now in control of your behavior insofar as you continue to seek the approval of this figure.

I don’t think these men are upset in the traditional sense, it seems to me to be more of a zealot’s fervor, they are upset so they can belong to the true group of men, this is how they are asking for approval from whoever they’ve surrendered their identity to.
And yes, there is a deep insecurity driving this, I have no idea if this insecurity is born of tragic personal experience or if its a very hyperactive social component that forces some people to surrender their will to an outside force in exchange for approval.

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I get it, but why is that? I mean, why did you initially feel defensive about it?
It’s a real enough knee jerk reaction that could probably be avoided if we wanted to be extra considerate, but was the intent behind it to be inconsiderate in the first place?
I don’t see it.
And I certainly don’t want to say that because I am a man and I did not read any implication into it, that you shouldn’t either, I am saying that if we were to really discuss your reaction to it, we’ll learn more about you than about the people who made the statement. That’s how threads get derailed.

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I freaking love that song.

I was thinking about this in the shower, as one does, and I figured since the some men were sharing anecdotes about how they’ve been “attacked” by femininity, I thought I’d share a couple times I was accused of weaponizing my sexuality:

Exhibit A: an old online game site where you could post a profile with a picture. After refusing a male opponent’s flirtatious advances, I was told that my photo was an “obvious fake” that I was using to “attract male attention.” It was my wedding photo. He was serious.

Exhibit B: Apparently, this cosplay* of mine is “very sexy”:


It “enhances your bust”, I am told. Note that the only change I have made to the male costume is to actually make it longer than Dr. Strange’s tunic and to put a female body inside it. I’m 44, my revealing cosplay days are over.

Both instances where I have been accused of doing something deliberately to attract men. One instance where a) I was actively trying to repel them, and b) not considering them in any way.

(*one guy referred to it as my “sexy Supergirl costume”. LOL fake geek boys. Another guy called me “Nurse Strange” which was frankly the most offensive of all.)

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please tell me you kicked him

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It was online, or I would have. Another guy called him out on it, too.

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Excellent Dr Strange cosplay. I like the attention to detail in white striping your hair on both sides.

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I probably don’t have to do that even anymore. This last year I have begun to dramatically grey at the temples :smiley:

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our 40’s tend to do that.

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Aaand I just saw this. Like … apparently even not being attracted to men is for manipulating men, somehow.

Edit because I found what I think is the link to the actual study. Of straight people.

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Have you seen the youtube videos of actual Lesibans reacting to girl on girl porn?
The looks of horror and "OMG what is she doing with those finger nails NO!"
Now those girls are doing it for straight men, but lesbians? hahahah oh man I should get my butch friends in here.

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I thought about bringing it up with the photos of the couple shared above, but given how this thread has gone it seemed… detrimental.

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Agreed that was just disingenuous rationalization.

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As an aside, the mayor of Austin provided an excellent response to the “outrage” from some neolithic jackwads. I assume someone at BB will publish an article regarding this soon enough.

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The other thing that is delicious about the men manbabies getting their boxers in knot over this the creator of Wonder Woman on record that she is all about women being in power over men.

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That letter though!

"The notion of a woman hero is a fine example of women’s eagerness to accept the appearance of achievement without actual achievement.

Women learn from an early age to value make-up, that it’s OK to pretend that you are greater than you actually are. Women pretend they do not know that only men serve in combat because they are content to have an easier ride. Women gladly accept gold medals at the Olympics for coming in 10th and competing only against the second class of athletes.

Name something invented by a woman! Achievements by the second rate gender pale in comparison to virtually everything great in human history was accomplished by men, not women."

And that’s why we have to keep talking about sexism.

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Sheesh. That reads like parody, as attempted by a clever ten year old.

ETA: And the mayor’s response is awesome!

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I knew there was a reason I loved your weapons-grade femininity!!!

Fuckin’ Schriekback!!! YAYAYAYA!

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@mike.jane - these two examples are the only “button-pushing” you can control. When some women push your buttons, because they have had training in or are naturally good at manipulating other people’s behavior, you can only control your reaction to it.
A few people have told you to accept responsibility for your actions (or re-actions) concerning your claim of “weapons-grade femininity” being aimed at you. From your responses, I don’t think you get what they’re saying. It may be simple, but it’s not simplistic. If you don’t want it, say no.
There are a number of humans that will manipulate you for certain ends. Some are women. Some are politicians. Doesn’t matter if they’re looking for sales, a sucker to buy them things, or votes, it’s all the same thing. Be a responsible adult in your emotional responses to sales pitches as well as girlfriends. Maybe talk to someone and figure out why you lump service workers, salespeople and romantic attachments together and give the same emotional response to each.

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[OT]
For over 20 years I have held a grudge against a guy who stole my Bile concert T, a Clive Barker book, and a Shreikback cassette.

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