White Americans abandoned democracy and embraced authoritarianism when they realized brown people would soon outvote them

By the way, what are you doing with these weird text boxes? Dude, they’re a pain to read!


Ya need a side of some white tears with that…



Which is what you did here.

This is what “pc culture” as you call it is. Minorities suggesting polite norms.

Who is doing this?


the irony of American history is the tendency of good white Americans to presume racial innocence. ignorance of how we are shaped racially is the first sign of privilege. in other words. It is a privilege to ignore the consequences of race in America.

tim wise

edited to provide attribution for the quote.


You haven’t been paying attention, then. People object to “polite norms of speech regularly”, in real life.


You seem to still have a hard time understanding the difference between “offensive” and “harmful.” No Scott Pruitts were harmed in these posts:

One can only hope that every one of these posts was offensive to that asshole. (hint: that’s not hate speech)

Contrast with what Roseanne Barr said about Valerie Jarrett. That was hate speech. Simple enough. Thanks.


BTW, a possibly useful resource for dealing with Gaelic-descended relatives:



He’s posting via email and his email client is set up wrong.

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I don’t think I know any white people at all who feel offended by that word. The only people who bring it up are the people who obviously don’t think it is fair they can’t use the N word.


Speaking of which…


Obligs, even though he’s still a pervy bastard:


On the theme of authoritarianism:

Thanks to the Mueller investigation, many establishment Dems have spent the last year vigorously affiliating themselves with the FBI. Congressional Dems have given countless interviews waxing lyrical about the supposed honour and integrity of the agency, and their middle class supporters have enthusiastically joined in on social media.

Nonsense like this has been all over the internet:


(the “KGB” is a nice touch; many of these folks seem to have failed to notice the fall of the USSR)

Today, I saw this glorious example of the genre:

The FBI is an organisation that was founded to suppress anti-racist and anti-capitalist dissent, and that is still what they do. They organised the Red Scares; they blackmailed MLK; they assassinated Fred Hampton; they ran Hoover’s Lavender Scare. They are still actively persecuting Muslim Americans, Black Lives Matter activists, etc etc

Functionally speaking, the FBI are the American equivalent of the Gestapo. Glorifying them as heroes in a time of fascism is an exceptionally foolish thing to do.


if the gestapo had stood against hitler and worked to investigate and reveal his crimes people might look back on them more fondly than they do. that said, i’m uncomfortable with glorifying them because their ugly past isn’t all that far past. still, they are functioning as a brake on 45. put me down as holding mixed feelings.


World Leader of Democracy has internal racial divide. News at 11.

I too have conflicted feelings. I think there are problems with making a blanket statement either way on an institution like the FBI. They have done both bad and good throughout their history, and should be held accountable for the bad, and praised for the good. There are institutions that should be abolished of course, but saying the FBI is equivalent to the Gestapo is ham fisted. Likewise, saying they are unfailing heroes is propaganda as well. Some nuance is needed.


Do please note that the word “functionally” was in my sentence for a reason.

They do the same job; federalised secret police who are primarily tasked with arresting subversives. Whether you agree with the subversives or not is irrelevant to the point that these are functionally analogous organisations.

The Gestapo is analogous to the FBI in the same way as the Luftwaffe was analogous to the USAAF.


I was about to post something very similar in the thread about the CIA and the debate they didn’t want publicized, but couldn’t find as good and succinct a way to put it. These are major bureaucracies that ALSO operate within the realm of highly compartmentalized programs.

I generally support Greenpeace’s mission, but some of their folks have done genuinely fucked-up shit, like fucking with the Nazca lines in Peru. It’s not directly analogous of course, and it doesn’t excuse the fucked-up shit one bit that any organization is involved with. But it’s not like government intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies are the only type of large institutions to have this problem. In my experience — they all do.

Institutional thinking along the lines of “we are the good guys” is where a lot of these organizations fall down, I think.


BTW, this is more than a bit relevant to this discussion: