The primary source of modern 2nd Amendment reasoning
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Speaking of which…
The Michigan Militia, an extremist group with racist ties, also attended with their firearms. Members attended the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017, and Oklahoma city terrorist and white nationalist Timothy McVeigh attended Michigan Militia meetings in the 1990s.
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BUT THEY DIDN’T KILL OR HARM ANYONE.
They didn’t even get arrested.
Not that members of literal lynch mobs were ever arrested either, but again, that’s that White Supremacy again… it’s baked in.
FTFY.
Whether we like it or not, whether we admit it or not:
White Supremacy is why no violence occurred… despite the obvious intent to intimidate on the part of the “armed protesters.”
Above I stated that if Black or Brown people tried this nonsense, we’d be shot on sight… and those that didn’t die would damn sure go to jail.
On the other end of that spectrum; had their ‘targets’ been POC, there likely would have been bloodshed - regardless to their wealth and power, or any police presence.
That is the disparity of a racist system.
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THIS IS FUCKING TERRORISM!! It doesn’t get more clear-cut than this without being lethal.
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A black woman calmly objecting to your glib overuse of a word that has a very specific historical meaning is “being hysterical?”
Well gee, thanks for that needless dose of sexism on top of marginalization.
Good day.
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I don’t hang out on gun forums and stuff. I think most people I know generally agree with me – these are a couple of SDs away from the median gun owner.
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I’m sorry Melz and @anon15383236.
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Can we keep a focus on the events at hand and not the meta-conversation of what to call them, please? That’s not much better than focusing on firearms themselves.
The imagery being used here is also not a coincidence. It’s not just some of those who work forces that are the same that burn crosses here, and that’s another fucking chilling part of this whole mess. Reactions to that imagery are part of the point.
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Hmm, for once I disagree with you. Words, and what they mean for a discussion’s participants, matter. Unless you think how certain words strike certain participants doesn’t matter? (I say that because I’d guess you don’t think that.)
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I absolutely agree that the “protestors” in question meant to terrorize and intimidate everyone at the Capitol building, to intentionally evoke the fear of lynch mobs past.
That intent is clear, I am not in denial of that.
What I am stating and repeating emphatically is that White Supremacy is what led up to and allowed that situation to happen in the first place.
It’s also the reason that we are NOT discussing another massive tragedy today; why no gunfire happened, and why no blood was shed.
At the core of White supremacist racism is this idea: ONLY WHITE PEOPLE MATTER.
There are no real long term consequences for doing harm to POC in the US; in the minds of a WS, we exist only to serve and facilitate them, and we are utterly disposable.
But Whites striking out at other White people, ones with money and power? That creates a conundrum, one which just might have some actual negative consequences.
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Which was also the point of these protests. Especially given the vulnerability of black communities to this pandemic and the disproportionate death toll from it.
They are also saying “F–k them, we want our hairdressers back”
Dude… I’m done talking to you on this topic.
I said “good day,” and genuinely meant it.
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When the constitution was written, the states were supreme, and each state had its own military (aka, the state militia). That was what the 2nd amendment refers to when it says “well regulated militia”. The 2nd amendment was intended solely to assure that the individual states, and not the federal government, would be the ones with military power. Their fear was that the federal government would create and retain it’s own military, and thus become a tyranny subjugating the states. (much like the British government subjugated the various colonies around the world by restricting their ability to have their own military, the Brits made a point of having all military controlled by, and loyal to Britiania and the Queen, rather than local regions). Individual gun rights were never intended by the amendment. Only State rights to have their own military power to keep the federal government in check.
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Not at all.
If the protestors had said that, that would be one thing. The conversation that I removed was a commenter saying words that were incendiary based on the imagery the protesters were using. But the conversation was around what the commenter said, not what the protestors did, which does not add to the conversation about the events, and risks being a derail of the (IMHO) much more serious issue that the protestors chose certain incendiary imagery to cause a very specific reaction.
I do not in any way take issue with how those words are interpreted or how others reacted to them, but instead to the fact that the comments of one poster became the focus of this post, rather than the post itself.
I hope that’s more clear.
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Another thing to consider is that Michigan has a large number of African-American legislators. I couldn’t find a more recent source, but in 2015, ~10 percent of the legislators were African-American. The use of white supremacy imagery and language by these protestors is a calculated move to particularly intimidate those legislators without specifically threatening them (which would be grounds for immediate arrest and the seizing of weapons).
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#VanillaISIS
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As they say, “Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man’s nose begins”
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