Woman fights to keep her three emotional support monkeys

Speculating about people’s mental health when you don’t have a diagnosis isn’t really cool. I don’t think she describes herself as “not entirely sane”. Also, assuming that “most people” are lying about their mental/emotional needs isn’t really cool either.

But again, it’s in the guidelines.

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Ok, thanks for the clarification, feel free to delete my post. Just felt people were being way too hard on her, and if having PTSD doesn’t mean you aren’t sane that’s important information for me to have.

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“No no, I said that they were air-support animals.”

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One spring afternoon, cycling a paved path along side a river a gosling was running towards me , I cycle very slowly. I dismounted and crouched down and wandled forwards. It walked towards me and settled by my feet. Sliding riding courier bag im not a courier picked it up gently, it started biting my fingers, didn’t hurt, deposited it in the fold and rode home.

At home I opened the flap finding the gosling asleep. Called a wildlife rescue centre and asked for advice. They first asked if I wanted to keep it. No I cant living in a bachelor studio. They recommended using scissors and cutting 3 cups of grass from the lawn to feed it over night. Plus, fill the tub with water and leave a light on and music and a place to walk onto to feed. Did that and took it to the refugee centre next morning carrying it in the bike courier bag. Arriving at the front desk of the centre I placed the bag on the counter and said the gosling is inside. One of the 2 persons at the front counter took hold of the bag and pulled. I held onto the bag and said, what are you doing? She said forcefully, “I’m taking the gosling!” I relaxed and said “Oh of course, that’s why im here. Sorry I guess I was protective and concerned. Grown attached.”

I was surprised how quickly I became attached to the gosling in a short period. Secondly, raising a gosling that bonds with a human can be a good relationship if the varibles are accommodating.

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Good cat. That movie is heart wrenching. I once caught it at a all night anime marathon in Boston. It was suffocatingly quiet until a woman in the front finally broke down and started sobbing. That opened the flood gates and the whole theatre lost it. I watch it every time it comes around for Ghibli Fest and it doesn’t get any easier.

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Monkeys are not pets. They’re highly intelligent wild animals and should not be kept in a house or apartment. They’re not domesticated, ie they’re not adapted to living with humans. They have needs she can’t possibly meet like companionship with the same species, exploration and foraging needs, etc. Just the fact that they’re wearing diapers… I mean. How on earth could they ever be accredited as support animals? I get that she probably feels comfort in having them around but I don’t see them being trained for the purpose, and maybe she should just get a dog?

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And her little dog Toto, too!

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Be gentle with your monkey, my son.

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Hey, new angle! Lieutenant Dorothy Gale, crooked cop – and her K9 partner, Toto. Licensed to use deadly force. It’d be a great way to dismiss the murder and/or manslaughter and conspiracy charges.

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you should not keep monkeys as pets. Just dont.

If you need motional support buy a cat or a dog, or maybe a rabbit.

But monkeys are wild animals, and will always be unhappy when kept as pets.

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I was on the board of a condo with a one pet by-law. A daughter moved in with one dog, which was fine. Then the mother moved in with another dog, and neighbors started complaining. We sent her a reminder about the by-laws. Her story went from “they’re litter mates and would die if separated” (they didn’t move in together, though), to “one is an emotional support animal and the other is a pet” to “one is an ESA for my daughter and the other is an ESA for me.” When pressed, she finally produced a letter she obtained on the Internet claiming that the dogs were necessary for her anxiety. The letter was dated after this whole fiasco started. Our insurance carrier, even with the evidence of her changing story and shady looking doctor’s note, refused to back us. Eventually we had to allow her to keep the dogs. The by-law, which we were legally bound to enforce as the governing board, was rendered useless. Anyone could just claim emotional support status.

Emotional support animals have no more legal standing than any pet, but everyone is afraid to test it in court. It is a trivial matter to get a bogus certification.

I’m trying to understand this sentence, were they in separate suites? Would it be different if they weren’t related?

I’m sure the law and the medical community will get better at determining who needs their animals and who doesn’t. You can’t say everyone has been too afraid to test in court, though.

https://www.animallaw.info/article/summary-emotional-support-animal-cases

Ooof, this just makes me think of people who have children as emotional support animals…

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We could probably make millions together printing up kid-sized t-shirts with “Emotional Support Animal” on them.

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I can’t do that, only a mod or leader can.

I’m probably inclined to agree with that.

I think that’s a trickier line to walk, honestly. I think saying she has PTSD is fine, since she mentions that, but calling her “crazy” is less acceptable?

The daughter moved into the unit with one of the dogs. Several months later the mother moved in to the same unit with the second dog. If they “would die if separated”, how did they survive the months before the mother moved in?

Thank you for the link. Okay, maybe not everybody is afraid. But a lot of those cases were won by the plaintiffs, and that has a chilling effect. Our insurance company supplied a lawyer, who basically told us not to pursue - even though the “doctor’s note” was printed from a web site. Without their support the legal fees would have bankrupted us. I’m betting this is a much more common scenario.

But those things are also true for most dogs above a certain size.

You’re not happy with that outcome, obviously.

Ultimately, it might just be a case of a single extra dog in an apartment building that allows dogs, though.

The protections from HUD and the FHA are there to prevent landlords from throwing people with disabilities out on the street for arbitrary reasons. Those protections are needed because landlords do throw people with disabilities out on the street for arbitrary reasons.

It may have felt like a nuisance to you, but for a lot of people, it prevents people from having to make an inhumane choice between having their home or their mental health.

At least I didn’t

What is he singing about anyway?

Lyrics

Cover me when I run
Cover me through the fire
Something knocked me out’ the trees
Now I’m on my knees
Cover me, darling please, hey
Monkey, monkey, monkey
Don’t you know when you’re going to shock the monkey
Fox the fox
Rat the rat
You can ape the ape
I know about that
There is one thing you must be sure of
I can’t take any more
Darling, don’t you monkey with the monkey, hey
Monkey, monkey, monkey
Don’t you know you’re going to shock the monkey, hey, hey
Shock the monkey, hey yeah
(Monkey) Wheels keep turning
(Monkey) Something’s burning
(Monkey) Don’t like it but I guess I’m learning
Shock, shock, shock
Watch the monkey get hurt, monkey
Shock, shock, shock
Watch the monkey get hurt, monkey
Cover me when I sleep
Cover me when I breathe
You throw your pearls before the swine
Make the monkey blind
Cover me, darling please, hey
Monkey, monkey, monkey
Don’t you know you’re going to shock the monkey, hey, hey
Shock the monkey, hey yeah
(Monkey) Too much at stake
(Monkey) Ground beneath me shake
(Monkey) And the news is breaking
Shock, shock, shock
Watch the monkey get hurt, monkey
Shock, shock, shock
Watch the monkey get hurt, monkey
Shock the monkey
Shock the monkey
Shock the monkey hey, hey
Shock the monkey

Shock the monkey to life
Shock the monkey

Shock the monkey
Shock the monkey
Shock the monkey

Shock the monkey to life

Source: LyricFind

Songwriters: Peter Gabriel

Shock The Monkey lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC

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