Its a subtle one too. Its like… the passive aggressive cat call. “I’m just being nice!” vs “BOOBIES!” - its like there’s only two modes, they can’t possibly talk to a woman on the street like a person, gotta comment on her appearance. Its just so weird.
@onemanmob - exactly! They think its an icebreaker! Women however… we know its not. And we know we are in literal danger because we can’t tell the “nice guys” from the guys that will attack us if we tell them to shut up.
And then there’s these guys who literally think women like it…
And even though he insists women like to be catcalled, he also says it strikes fear in them: “If it’s far away, it’s even better because they’re not that scared.” Yeah right jackass, women LIKE to be scared.
Yeah, I don’t understand their reactions. I mean, first of all, there’s their surprise; dude, do you really need video evidence before you’ll believe it happens, and how bad it feels? But then, what’s the rest of their reaction? They get mad, which is great if they’re mad because someone they care about is going through that shit, feeling bad because of that shit. But, I don’t know, I’m not seeing a lot of empathy in their reactions. Which is maybe not surprising; if they had much of that for women (let alone their partners) in the first place, then seeing this shit happen on video wouldn’t be so surprising to them. They would’ve already thought more about it, and they would’ve listened more when their partners told them that it happens.
Cute, but then, to the extent that it’s actually making a serious point, it’s appearance here is yet another shift from the topic at hand to another (from sexism to classism, is how I’d put it).
"Marina Davila-Ross, lead author of the study from the University of Portsmouth, UK, says the way we smile is important in order for us to communicate in explicit and versatile ways.
“We didn’t know chimps also have the ability to use their facial expressions in such ways too.”
“For 40 years researchers were stating that chimpanzee smiles are submissive ‘fear’ grin-like expressions. The supporting evidence was that chimps do not raise their upper lips while laughing. Our detailed analysis showed they do do this.”
[edit - this is my comment: For 40 years, then, researchers may have been projecting their own insecurities onto chimpanzees.]
It’s true, smiles are of course versatile, and they can be hard to interpret accurately. I do try not to project my own interpretations onto them. Still, I do think that fear can be an impetus for human smiles.
The one thing that I have learned from Reality TV is that real change comes from “within”…
Perhaps we can fix you…
A bit of botox in the right place just might make you socially acceptable.
Thank you. You appear to be one of the few people here capable of admitting this. Your basic human decency is very much appreciated.
That’s not the comparison that was made, that I replied to. Changing the goalposts makes a different conversation with different teams. I replied to what was actually written, which is not what you are talking about now; obviously rich straight white male is the easiest difficulty setting of all.
That’s not what I said. As usual, I objected to an explicit statement that was made categorically against all members of one gender and skin tone. And I got the usual bullshit replies from the usual apologists for these kinds of racist, sexist statements, which fundamentally translate to saying “objective reality doesn’t matter because WE are RIGHTEOUS. By definition, nothing that is said by the RIGHTEOUS is EVER racist or sexist”. And I was simply not capable of suffering that sadly commonplace nonsense in silence yesterday. I regret exploding in the particular manner I did, but it happened.
You are overly generous to a great number of of people, perhaps including myself - which is your privilege.
Well, I came to this particular thread because I didn’t know what “resting bitch face” was and I am a curious person. The .gifs of Putin and Kanye explained it to me - it’s one of the two facial expressions that work best for males occupying dominant leadership positions in modern business/industrial/political contexts. (The other is a confident smile, which is not as universally applicable, and is sometimes considered patronizing.) Other comments in the thread imply that women who use this expression are criticized more for it than men like Kanye and Putin. I find this easily believable, but I knew nothing of this “resting bitch face” meme before reading. (Though I do sometimes wear it.)
Since you’re clearly more interested in making statements and mischaracterizing what (presumably) I and others have had to say here than in actually listening, I too will merely express sympathy regarding your rough week. Taking care of those who have it so much worse than others (be the others black, women, gay, etc.) can indeed be very wearing.
FWIW, I think most people here if asked would agree that between being Oprah or a disabled white guy that Ophrah’s got it better, and I think you know other folks on this thread are kind decent people (and generally interesting, cool, and all above average ). There was a more general topic that was more abstractly discussing male privilege (with a little white privilege) that was rolling along, so bringing things to specifics was a side-issue to that, and that more general thing seemed to really be more a product of some problematic phrasing than a really deeply held sentiment that spun things for a bit but that rough patch is clear. And thank God, because the chimpanzee facial expression article’s awesome.
). There was a more general topic that was more abstractly discussing male privilege (with a little white privilege) that was rolling along, so bringing things to specifics was a side-issue to that, and that more general thing seemed to really be more a product of some problematic phrasing than a really deeply held sentiment that spun things for a bit but that rough patch is clear. And thank God, because the chimpanzee facial expression article’s awesome.