Bernie Sanders announces 2020 presidential campaign

The playing field in the US has been a lot more ‘level’ in the past, the extremely racist past. A $15 minimum wage isn’t going to take a single child out of a cage. Do you think that letting that happen is necessary because fixing racism is hard?

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Ignoring it and allowing conservatives to pass repetitive tax cuts that expand the wealth gap certainly isn’t fixing inequality in America. It’s better than doing nothing like you suggest.

Where the hell did I suggest doing nothing?

You’re suggesting doing nothing. Your position seems to be that accepting the urgent need to address racism (as a specific, individual phenomenon) in the US is exclusive with addressing economic inequality.

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Lol. Yes of course that’s what I think because I’m an idiot. No, I think there is still a problem with believing racism will be helped even a little without direct consideration. If “for all” was demonstrably for all I might agree with you but so long as I have lived it hasn’t been so.

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Who is Bernie Sanders running against in the primaries who wants tax cuts for the wealthiest?

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Well. The Democrats are only going to run one candidate.

Bernie cannot be so out there as to consider an independant run if he doesn’t get the nomination.

Right?

Right??

We still don’t know if Howard Shultz is running and if hes running as a Democrat or an independent. Part of me thinks if anyone would want to pass tax cuts in the Dem Party it would be him. It’s not a completely unheard of policy being some link the policy of tax cuts to JFK’s administration (although I haven’t researched that on my end. Enter “Rising tide lifts all boats” quote).

Schultz has what, 4% favourability with democrats?

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I told you what I think his point of view is. I think he believes a just society addresses societal injustices, whatever forms they may take. And I believe he thinks he is working toward one.

If no candidate wins a popular vote nomination i.e. among delegates in the DNC, it goes to superdelegates. I don’t know that they wouldn’t nominate Shultz.

Ooh ask me! I know!

The Democrats will not nominate Schultz.

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This is bonkers.

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what party is he running for?

Nailed it.

Fixing the issues of racism and sexism requires dedicated, tailor-made solutions that directly target the root of the problems. Blanket ‘one-size-fits-all’ measures will likely fail in that regard because they’ll only paper over the surface of the actual underlying problems.

That’s how marginalization and the entrenchment of the status quo happens.

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Is it though? Hillary bailed out the DNC and got a favorable vote from the superdelegates in the last election cycle. Leaked emails (Whatever you think about whether it was ethical or whatever. It happened) from the DNC suggest she did a quid pro quo with bailing out the DNC with Bill and Hillary’s warchest and essentially purchased a Democratic Party nomination.

Do you not see that as a possible false choice? It doesn’t seem one need choose between working to provide equal access and protection under the law and directly addressing racism. They don’t seem mutually exclusive to me but I keep seeing these strange ways of framing the goal of social, financial, and political parity as being something like “we get ours we’ll give you some” and I don’t see the connection.

And those minorities who disagree with him think a just society doesn’t address injustices? Or they don’t want a just society?

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It isn’t a choice. It’s a lack of trust based on the established pattern of marginalizing race as an issue and placing it secondary to other issues even when it is the primary vector of oppression for many people in the US. I’m willing to work for both, I’d like to see a candidate demonstrate that they are too. Perhaps too much to ask, but that’s not going to keep me from asking.

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I ended up doing a little reading on sanders and race and mischaractetizations of his “old message” and the false narrative that he has a “new message now.” I read a bit on what Ta-Nehesi Coates had to say about him, and reparations, and the false idea that economic justice is supposed to fix racial injustice (instead of justice itself addressing both) and I wound up on this page of Jacobin magazine written by Cedric Johnson.

So I may not know exactly what Bernie thinks of socialism, but I have s better sense of what some socialists think of him.

There is the third possibility, which I already stated, which is they don’t agree that his idea of a just society is in fact a just one.