Agreed. It seems pretty mild if you don’t speak “Evangelical,” but it really is a pretty harsh condemnation. I can’t say I was aware of any “we warned you before the election” (cited upthread) but if they did, I will up my respect for these guys.
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Per his interview with NPR’s Steve Inskeep, Mark Galli’s planned retirement is 8 days away.
Courage!
Unrelated Fact Of The Day: This is why the Yanomami of the upper Orinoco have rejected conversion and resisted missionization. They say it more like “I can’t worship a god who let himself be nailed to a tree.”
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Less realizing. Christianity today came out against Trump in the primaries, and have pretty regularly printed criticism of Evangelical support for him. . Prominent Christian voices calling out the Evangelical community for supporting Trump have been a regular thing for a long time.
Now most of those have been from the Mainline Protestant community, prominent Black Churches, and Liberal Catholic groups (on the outs with Church leadership). Along with some Mormons. All groups the Evangelical movement is more than happy to ignore, and frequently labels not Christian. Evangelicals coming out against Trump have been few and far between, Christianity today have been kinda the big one. To no effect.
So I think the question is whether Christianity Today explicitly coming out in favor of impeachment represents that sort of thing gaining purchase. Or points to some sort of rift among evangelicals driven by impeachment.
I doubt it honestly. If there’s something there its in calling out the GOP for their handling of this.
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It’s actually a VERY good sign, for those of us who aren’t exactly fans of Donald Trump being President of the United States. You don’t have to like 'em, agree with 'em, you can question their motives. But at the end of the day, what this shows is, even some of Trump’s most diehard supporters, who have swallowed a lot of crow in supporting him – still have a breaking point. That is a good thing. It means a lot of his hard limit of ~42% support could definitely drop a few more points (or more) between now and the general election. A couple points drop in his base is all getting him out of office is likely going to take.
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For those awaiting the tweet storm:
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Believe it or not it dates back to a time before the Evangelical movement was inherently partisan. Jimmy Carter even cited Billy Graham as a major influence on his own life.
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Can we just dislike evangelicals generally? That’s still an option, right?
Prior to the rise of the Religious Right American Christianity, particularly Protestantism was most closely associated with the political left. Though obviously there were exceptions. Abolition, women’s suffrage, the labor movement, civil rights. All were significantly tied to Mainline Protestant churches and movements. Also prohibition.
The kind of Born Again Evangelical movement Carter was a part of was sort of the last gasp of that. I have a bunch of family from Maine that went Born Again as part of the same movement Carter was in, around the time he was becoming prominent. All life long Democrats, all life long union organizers. All of them are 80. Almost all of them hate Trump (one of them went a little Fox News crazy just before he died).
Few of them attend Church anymore. And all of their kids and grand kids are hard core stone the gays Evangelicals and Trump voters. The religious right sort of ate that whole thing in one generation.
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No one whose mind isn’t clouded by bias thinks Trump is Christian nor isn’t morally corrupt.
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It’s a shame it took them three years and the rest of his prior time on this earth to identify that failing in his character, but hey. Better late than never, I guess.
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Folks - we are dealing with people who believe you can bring people back from the dead with prayers. There is no logic, there is no rational way to explain this.
That would be a truly wild turn. If Trump did actually start a splinter group of Jesus-Truther Xtians that started claiming that the crucifixion was fake news, and that Jesus totally fucked up all the Romans and the Jews in hand-to-hand combat.
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“a near? NO!
A perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.”
FIFY
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Between those two sides? Nah. I’m angry at evangelicals. That’s the side I pick. I see them as damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Them finally admitting Trump is a piece of shit doesn’t make them as a group my kindred spirits as long as they continue to do all the other heinous shit that they do. Fuck them for helping him get this far.
Hey, as long as he’s tweeting he’s being kept busy. Like giving a toddler the old tv remote to play with. The more the better.
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Well that just fills me with joy. I don’t imagine it will change anything, since pissing on people and convincing them to beg for more is a big part of his scam, but I do like to see how people respond when openly betrayed by their false god-emperor.
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Trump has no morals or beliefs. He only does what he thinks will get him ahead.
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I mean, of course Christianity Today is a leftist rag, look what kinds of depraved socialists they like to feature:
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The ones who beat up my gay friends in the street, ran my pregnant teen cousin out of her home- well, if there was much of a difference, I couldn’t see it.
I left the church when it turned bad enough that my little fifteen year old self couldn’t stand it. People who stay now are on board with the hate. There are ways to be Christian that don’t involve advocating death to gays and slavery for women.
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It’s paywalled, but the gist I gleaned from reading the source was that
God will save America from its wicked ways. (i.e abortion)
God has chosen an imperfect vessel as the instrument of his glory.
The imperfections found in the character of Donald Trump are proof of God’s hand and a testament to our faith.
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So close, but not quiet there:
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