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i was around then, and i’m pretty sure that while it was definitely a thing, a lot of it was just for shock value. it’s nothing like what we’re seeing nowadays.
I was around as well, and I’m equally as sure it wasn’t… Plus, I do study this stuff as part of my work… and yeah, it was considered a problem.
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Welp, I guess some FBI guys are about to get fired.
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If it salutes like a Nazi, and it goosesteps like a Nazi…
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Not all scenes had this issue of course, and individual experiences vary, but enough did to make it something that we can say is worth noting about 80s/90s punk, especially considering that some right wingers with white supremacist overtones keep attempting to claim that they represent punk now, because they’re “rebelling” against the status quo of “political correctness”. What a crock of shit.
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Tell that to the homeless men my skinhead acquaintances murdered for fun in the late Eighties.
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Christ… I can’t like that…
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Yeah, it was pretty rough. Especially considering that some of those skinheads were running with us punks and goths just the year earlier, before they were recruited. Our scene was pretty small, and so kinda incestuous that way.
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fair enough. i bow to your expertise. all i know is the stuff i saw around me, and it was all just poseurs trying to be shocking.
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awful. sorry to hear that. : (
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Even trying to be shocking can sometimes translate into real conviction, sadly.
Of course your experience is a data point and it’s meaningful, but the fact that there are songs and articles in punk zines about this issue is also telling, IMHO.
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Any way to make that animated gif slow down? I would like to read through it.
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Read that. It installed a cookie. Now I have to de-slime my phone.
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And therein lies the answer for why the FBI is finally taking them seriously: They started posing a credible threat to conservative white people.
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The fat yelling man on top òf the vehicle is Alex Jones. The vehicle he is riding is tank enough in appearance to give people who want to appear military tough (without having any military service, or any consideration of fuel & repair costs) a sense of owning a tank (think of it as a form of military-by-proxy halo-effect/ soldier flavoured virtue signalling).
The reference to Rush (Rush Limbaugh not Rush the Canadian music group) being on top of the vehicle is due to the fact that Rush & Alex both cheer for the same sorts of teams (very white & likely to be racist about it) and have both been praised by the current US president.
I too have difficulty with parsing social context so I often find explainers like this helpful.
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Unfortunately no. People often do not switch teams when their party gets more extreme. It often takes a floodgate event to make it happen. Until then they often get quieter and more squeamish about their party and wonder if there is something wrong with them for doubting, and they often get shouted down by the more extreme voices that are allowed to dominate the group. I do not think the effective floodgate moment has yet arrived.
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Only if the furries are the ones who are better armed, better trained, fight smarter, and if one of them brings a real lion along with them for backup.
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The furries are supported by antifa irl.
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Hoping I’m not breaking some rule… here ya go:
FYI, saved animated file to local drive, load into IrfanView, then Options → Stop all Animation, then Options → Extract all frames. This results in 11 .JPG files, which I then copy-pasta’d into a glorious Windows Paint file. Ta-da!
Not so much for you… more so I could keep this relatively useless skill fresh. 
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