Humiliated Trump issues ultimatum to GOP: pass healthcare act now or I'll never repeal Obamacare

[cameronh1403]

@simonize

I’ve never understood this. Doesn’t effective birth control have a negative net cost? Pregnancy is MUCH more expensive than birth control. Shouldn’t hobby lobby have to pay extra if they want to offer a plan that doesn’t include birth control?

Has nothing to do with birth control, it’s the fact that a woman can have sex without a man’s permission that the TGOP hates.

@Anselm

It is highly likely that by moving to a universal government-mandated health care system both the government of the USA and their citizens would save money, and health outcomes would actually improve. On a rational level, this should appeal even to fiscal conservatives – the only thing that stands in its way is ideology.

That is why this country is screwed up.

@HMSGoose

Why do they need a “replacement” at all? Why don’t they just grow some balls and stand by their bullshit and say: “We’re stripping away ACA and each of you can deal with the health insurance industry on your own, just like we tell you to do with employers, and with the environmental issues, and legal disputes with corporations, etc…” Milksop motherfuckers.

Exactly. And they would be ripped to shreds and lose their power in no time flat. And then maybe…MAYBE the people will realize how things can change for the better.

@ChickieD

Bannon has been getting articles on Breitbart

Can’t someone just put a bullet in his face?

@Dire

We have that in the UK - Because as well as the NHS, there’s plenty of private HC choices too. here’s my quotes for me and my family (45yo me and wife, and two teens)

This is why the TGOP and right wing dipshits don’t get single payer health care. They think that getting that means you lose the other choices. No, it means everyone gets a basic level of care and if you want to pay more, then knock yourself out Skippy.

@waetherman

The solution should be pretty simple; add an employer-side payroll tax to cover entitlement benefits, based on the hours worked. We’d probably run a surplus if we did that, since many people who work part-time jobs, end up working multiple jobs. They work (often) more than full-time, just not with any one employer.

Won’t happen. WalMart and Amazon and all the other companies that rely on part timers will fight it every fucking step of the way to avoid losing any money.

[simonize]

@cameronh1403

Has nothing to do with birth control, it’s the fact that a woman can have sex without a man’s permission that the TGOP hates.

Well if they need birth control, they’re getting the assent and cooperation of a man…

[ChickieD]

@cameronh1403

Has nothing to do with birth control, it’s the fact that a woman can have sex without a man’s permission that the TGOP hates.

Who said anything about permission?

It’s about a woman being forced to have sex when a man wants her to and then she bears all the consequences.

[ChickieD]

@simonize

Well if they need birth control, they’re getting the assent and cooperation of a man…

They do not see women as needing birth control. We should be punished for sex, even if it is forced on us. We are the root of all evil.

[waetherman]

@cameronh1403

a woman can have sex without a man’s permission

Pretty sure you’d still need at least one man’s permission, at least if birth control were necessary.[quote=“cameronh1403, post:81, topic:97607”]
Won’t happen.
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But could happen. Should happen.

[Footface]

@nungesser

I’m not sure about that. Trump’s selling point for himself as President was as a deal-maker, a businessman who could Get Things Done and break through the gridlock, and he took on the healthcare act as a personal task

And it was all gonna be so easy! The plan to “repeal and replace” in one day! Defeating ISIS! Bringing American manufacturing back! You just… glower and wave your hands around… and it’s done!

[anotherone]

As I see it, the problem comes down to this; providing effective healthcare to everyone cannot be accomplished through private insurance. Yet, private insurance companies pay politicians quite well to craft laws for their benefit.
If we actually had a strong man for a leader like Trump pretends to be, we might have had a chance for something good. But with this paper tiger, it’s not going to happen.

[Enkita]

@failquail

where the only solution to the failure of rightwing policy is more extreme rightwing policy…

Floreat Etonia! Because that’s where it comes from. Eton is the school that ensures the thick get into smart regiments who will obey orders to ride towards the cannonfire, and it shows. If the enemy shoots at you, just ride straight towards them. It lost us an awful lot of people in the Crimean War, the Boer War and two World Wars, but we won all those, didn’t we?
On topic, the Forbes article referenced above explains it well. The system has resulted in socialism for the rich. Relatives of Conservative MPs even get their unprofitable farming paid for by the taxpayer. The most expensive cars are hybrid or electric and pay little tax. Their houses are “corporate assets” and so avoid various taxes. It’s working well…so long as the sheep with votes are persuaded still to vote for them.

[daneel]

I’m pretty sure that Making A Deal and Getting Things Done is easier if you don’t start out by making sure that you’ll never get any votes from 44% of the House.

[Enkita]

@cameronh1403

Can’t someone just put a bullet in his face?

Google Horst Wessel to understand why this is a bad idea (it was part of Breivik’s fantasy that he would become famous the same way.)

[anon61221983]

@ChickieD

It’s about women being able to make their own fucking health decisions.

What? That’s crazy talk? Women can’t do that, that’s mens place!!! /s

[cameronh1403]

we don’t need a martyr of him. That would make things worse.

[anon61221983]

@simonize

I would argue that if he were ACTUALLY the great negotiator that he thinks he is, we would negotiate a deal with Democrats that cuts out the Freedom Caucus.

But he can’t do that, because he will lose votes then.

[Missy_Pants]

Serious question: what do people like your family think “socialism” is?

[simonize]

@ChickieD

They do not see women as needing birth control. We should be punished for sex, even if it is forced on us.

…yes. The only way to logically explain some people’s attitude is that they believe that children are a punishment for sex…Which is a HORRIBLE way to think of children.

[SpunkyTWS]

@Footface

You just… glower and wave your hands around… and it’s done!

That might work if he had bigger hands.

[anon63581570]

Taking money from ‘hard working’ people and giving it to ‘weak’ and ‘leeches.’

[Missy_Pants]

What do they think of countries like Canada or even more socialist, like Sweden?

[daneel]

Those places are terrorist hellholes!

[ChickieD]

Childbirth is a punishment for sex. Children are miniature angels.