Tosh! How could the Chairman of the House Science Committee possibly be stupid?
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So, basically move, or change your local legislature. He all but acknowledges that the minimum care is best, but that it should have to be done in every state. Nice, basically, re-fight the ACA fight 50 times, instead of one, in the meantime we get to post insane profits while you all struggle it out. I was afraid the pull quote was going to be about the state of your health / your state of mind. He also tosses in that “Northeastern States” have minimum care and “don’t care about ACA, because they already have what they want.” Uhhhh, except those states voted Blue, my man. They’re not the “I got mine” party.
What’s even the grain of truth he’s basing his last bullshit on, that people could “afford health insurance, but couldn’t afford to go to the doctor” under ACA? Is there one?
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The problem is that everyone else gets what Republican voters deserve, also.
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Indeed. But you don’t deserve it.
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There was a vote yesterday which allowed Ryan to revise the bill and put it up for vote again in less than a day.
Very likely your congressman voted for the bill on that vote (only 4 R’s voted no). Dave Reichert (R,Coward) from Washington state cast that vote for the bill yesterday, and also voted for it at least once in committee.
Procedural votes for the bill are votes for the bill, just more deniable ones.
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Naw, this MFer knows everyone in the district is watching him like a hawk right now. He won by 20,000 votes against someone with zero funding and zero name recognition and is well aware that his district is up for grabs in 2018.
"New Jersey’s Lance told CNN, “I do not want to vote on a bill that has no chance of passing over in the Senate.”
“The CBO score has modified the dynamics,” he added.
This was a reversal for Lance, who voted for the AHCA in committee just last week and defended it in an primetime interview on MSNBC."
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This. Exactly. I worked at a company that made very expensive equipment that is used in Operating Rooms. I had to write a marketing piece to explain to nurses the benefit of this equipment to them. It turns out that the benefit to them is that the hotshot doctors like playing with expensive equipment, and so the nurses get to operate with the “top” doctors if they are in an OR with this equipment. Of course there was a lot of spin that it improved patient outcomes, etc., but really it’s that the doctors are not employees of the hospitals and there is a tremendous competition over who gets to big names.
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We’re punishing women by giving them… angels? This whole system is weird.
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I didn’t invent it. If you attempt using logic to understand, it will make your brain hurt.
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Unsure.
I… Look I don’t want you people to think my family are full of bad people. I don’t want you to paint them into straw men. They help but it’s… They don’t see it as the government’s place to prop up people that they feel won’t do,. They vie the world as full of peole that grub and dig and won’t put in their fair share while at the same time recogniing that some people (like my brother, sister techniclly me? They’ve flipflopped on that one. blaming me for failing college, and at the same time stating how i deserve aid. Feels kinda whiplash0y at times.)
They vie the Waltons as something to aspire to. Ditto andy griffith. An idealized small town america where you know everyone around you everyone’s polite, well mannered, yadda yadda.
There were two people who <3’d this post before this point. If you do not agree with the additional statements. I apologize if you appear toagree with things you do not now.
They recognize SOMETHING needs to change. They recognize the government is wholly corrupt and beholden to business interests (though they blame democrats for being somehow MORE corrupt. Frankly I think it’s just a mater of who what party is beholden to. Republicans millitary gun lobby, evanchelicals, and police. Democrats big business, pharma, hollywood/entertainment.)
My problem is i am neither well spoken enough to form a solid argument or counterpoint, nor do i have the memory to retain and retrieve facts on the spot when I’ve got center of attention.
Edit: I want to add a couple things. Apologies.
They seem to view it more as a matter of ‘personal responsibility and accountability’ with government assistaince allowing people to stop being moral because ‘oh well someone else will take care of grandma.’ With their view being government shouldn’t give aid to the elderly unless the elderly has no family.
They WANT people to come here… Legally. Though at the same time they viewed the trump deportations as ‘oh they must not have had a valid visa’ since naturally mistakes COULDN’T be made on that front.
THere’s a split in family over homosexuality and ‘immoral’ behavior. Mom’s more ‘i’ll be polite and helpful all the livel ong day but don’t expect me to like it.’ Stepdad’s falt out ‘i’ll make fun of faggots and say it like it is.’
Stepdad views therapy as a waste of time and money ‘why can’t you act like a fucking adultand talk things out or just man the fuck up and get on with it instead of htis oh woe is me pity party?’
I love my family. I feel ad for talking about them here since it’s kindof airing dirty laundry in public. I’m just… well I’m trying to not blow my own peroverbial stack, maybe figure out a way to talk to them a little better so we can find a balance point, and because to be blnt I have my own problems so my personal issues arne’t all one sided with them to blame. I am an innately angry person. I have focus and memory issues. I do NOT like authority and have a high mistrust of anyone with authority especially if I can’t (metaphorically) grab them by the shirt and slam them face first into something if I’m being walked on. I also made a lot of mistakes when I was in college and said mistakes are still hanging around my neck.
CHieffly ‘what the hell do I want to do in college?’
As for Trump and the GOP. What the fuck is this, grade school? Issuing ultimatums is for someone who’s already lost and is trying to salve their own ego going ‘you do this or I do that’ to force compliance. There is no respect there, just a show that nobody does respect and you must force compliance.
Lastly…
I’ve noticed a disturbing trend on this board of people going ‘hur durr the guys that voted republican are getting what they deserve’ and other color commentary. You are falling into the same trap people that support prison as punishment fall into in that you appear to want to PUNISH and see yourselves as better than these ‘lesser’ people. You are also falling into the same behavior pattern people like my family have as meme ‘oh all you liberals act so arrogent and like you’re better than us.’ You are both better than this, and you’re giving them ammunition.
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I don’t feel like they’re getting what they deserve. I felt pity for them then and I feel pity for them now. Pity they got caught up into a con, pity that they lack empathy for others, pity that their tax dollars are misspent while they are asked to shoulder more of the burden when they are the least likely to be able to afford it.
Nobody is getting what they deserve right now, and I only feel pity towards those that think that taking away from someone else is what they consider “freedom,” when it’s the furthest thing from it. Personally, my family is the least likely to be harmed by any of these policies, I have a great state that is willing to work for better EPA coverage, healthcare, civil rights, my taxes will actually go down under these policies, and my company has one of the best healthcare plans I’ve ever seen. I am willing to help shoulder more of the burden so some kid in rural Alabama can grow up healthy and get a decent education.
If they mistake my pity for arrogance there’s nothing I can do about that.
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Oh I honestly don’t think your family are bad people! Not at all! I’m sure if we met in person we’d be just fine!
I just am trying to understand. Thats all. I know i live in a bubble. the internet helps me see beyond that. Sorry to put you on the spot. In future maybe we can DM this stuff?
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I don’t really see that. Sure there is a lot of that whole face-eating leopard party jokes, but thats more of the “if I don’t laugh I’ll cry” kind of humour. (See also; sarcastic feminism). No one wants anyone to be hurt, but you gotta give us a little slack to be frustrated and yell hyperbole when a woman with an “illegal immigrant” husband votes for Trump, I mean, c’mon, what did she think was going to happen?
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Point taken. I just… y’know I view a lot of the ‘you are morons you deserve this’ on either side of the fence is totally not worth it and not helpful.
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If we can have gallows humour what can we have? 
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This feels to me like Trump already got a memo that there’s no way Obamacare can be taken down, and now he’s just positioning himself so that when the Repubs do indeed fail to take it down, he can frame it as his having “Made good on a threat” as opposed to having failed miserably in accomplishing goals.
I honestly can’t tell who won though. Obama for passing a health care act so Republican that Republicans can’t undo it without going off a cliff, or the Republicans for forcing the Democrats to spend years defending what is, at heart, a very Republican health care act.
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If angels exist, I don’t want to meet one. They sound terrifying.
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Well, it’s my understanding that it’s written in words, so…
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