Silly! Hillary wanted to start a war with Persia. Have you ever played Prince of Persia? Tough hombres there. Trump wants to start a war with Iran. Much softer target.
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All I see is a bit of gossip spread by Moby without any verifiable sources. If you want to form an opinion on that basis, feel free to do so but I’ll pass.
I honestly don’t know what you mean. What words of theirs was Moby using?
How do you know he wasn’t? How do you know he doesn’t make shit up to get back into the headlines and sell a few records? How do the right or wrong intentions change the validity of facts?
What are you on about? You’re ready to gobble up bullshit if someone just believes in it earnestly enough? So the only reason you’re not believing every word of Trump is that you’re suspecting an ulterior motive?
Ok, I’m out.
His gossip just doens’t seem like the same sort of thing as an unvetted policy change that causes a 4 year old child, who is a citizen, held in handcuffs by border agents. That’s one story of too many stories. 3 weeks in.
Potentially unverifiable ones. Using words the way the administration does to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
the capacity to deploy the marines changes the importance of a strict adherence to facts on his part. Moby’s mistake (or intentional misleading of us) is of almost no consequence other than my laughter and YOUR RUSTLED JIMMIES.
Wow arrogant! No.I am willing to believe he could be correct. Or totally incorrect.
elegant loss, come again.
I think if the Vice President takes over, he’s the new President. Anyone else, though, seems to be the Acting President.
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So you don’t have a source on your claim that “Even the dude that wrote that dossier cautioned that a bunch of stuff in it was likely BS”? Because I have read coverage from the start and the only statements from Steele I found were in the October 31st Mother Jones article “A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump”:
_“It started off as a fairly general inquiry,” says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, “there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.” …
The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump’s inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. “It’s quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on,” he says."
Nothing about “likely BS.” Maybe you can clarify?
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Acer: I’m not holding my breath but if the pee tapes come out, he’s gone in a week.
And: you’re missing the poetry of the PA state senator. He called Trump a “fascist, loofa-faced shitgibbon.” The rhythm really works here.
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I’ve been immersed in Bannon the past few days.
For Bannon, Trump is a suitable “Grey Champion” that would fit into the astrology-like social-historical theory of Strauss and Howe’s The Fourth Turning. Trump was seen as perfect to usher in the chaotic age that will lead to…whatever. A white ethnostate that Bannon thinks will save us. That’s why we’re all supposed to be fascinated and admire Putin and Russia: white ethnostate.
Re: Some Guy: Bannon is obsessed with a Samuel Ellsworth Huntington-ish need for a “clash of civilizations” and he is an Islamophobe to the bone. I saw a quote from Bannon, not long ago: he actually thinks because “the media” won’t categorically demonize Islam, that Sharia Law might be taking hold of members of our media! (And he’s the Trump Brain Trust!)
It’s idiocy on a level I never thought I’d see. But then again, I’m naive to the nth; I never thought I’d see Bush/Cheney do what they do and get away with it w/o imprisonment.
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If Moby can play James Bond then so can I
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I can’t wait to hear Cher’s inside info!
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Haha, big laugh!
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Still, that Moby intel is so…compelling.
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I’ve gotta say, Pizzagate is one of my favorite perversions of the -gate portmanteau trope. Really ratchets the absurdity up. Why didn’t we call the judicial torture memos “Waterboardgate?” I don’t know, but…hang on, I think I’ve harped on this subject already on this bbs.
Um, anyhow, a lot of what Moby says does chime with the counter-Trump narrative right now but without knowing who he actually knows, I still need some some sodium chloride crystals to accompany this.
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In the UK, we went fully orthogonal with ‘Plebgate’, which was a furore about the allegation of an MP calling a Policeman ‘a pleb’, at an actual gate.
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Why wasn’t the Flint crisis called Watergate?
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They couldn’t have gone with gategate?
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Australia had this one:
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Someone needs to make that happen
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But no one will be able to tell what the hell she’s writing about. I stopped trying to read her tweets (and Roseanne’s) a long time ago. She’s operating on a different level.
Former Cold Warriors (and Putin is one of them) love each other. They are co-dependants, they speak the same language, they share a competitive zero-sum outlook of foreign relations; in short, they think they know what the other guy is thinking because that’s what they would be thinking. That makes for great relationships.
Also, exactly because Flynn comes from the sort of environment the Russians have always been keen to infiltrate, there are high chances that they could have blackmail material on him.
To be honest, what Moby is saying is really not that exciting - it’s basically what the spooks have been saying, leaking to all the friends they have, for more than a month now. There are long-time intelligence guys reporting very openly “my spooks friends tell me they now work on the assumption that Russians will know anything we tell the White House”. That is a shocking accusation, coming from very conservative “god and country” circles about what should be their own guy; so either there is something outrageous that Trump is planning against them (like dramatically curtailing their budgets or stuff like that), or they are just telling the truth. Looking at Trump’s platform and actions, I don’t see anything that could ruffle the spooks (if anything, they should be salivating at his aggressive rhetoric), so the latter option seems the most realistic one.
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