Libertarians have some pretty messed up views of civil liberties and any sort of government protections to the public. Too much Ayn Rand, not enough James Madison.
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Wanna send the looney base into total confusion they should dump Trump in favor of Alan Keyes… thanks @JemmieDuffs
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There does not seem to be anyone on the ballot at this point who represents what they stand for. I really do think that their main motivation at this point is to support anyone who stands a chance of keeping HRC out of office, then finding a way to deal with Trump after that crisis is averted.
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he mentioned married women.
Now he shows he doesn’t respect other men’s property.
/s just incase it isn’t clear
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Which is why they shouldn’t endorse any candidate if they want to retain the faintest shred of principles or self-respect.
“Keeping Hillary out of office” ceases to be a worthy goal, even by Republican standards, if the solution is to put someone even more antithetical to their values in office. But even if it was a worthy goal that train has left the station. The GOP has lost the White House at this point and Trump will likely drag down their control of the Senate in the bargain. The Republican leadership knows this. They should be trying to figure out how to salvage what’s left of their party and remake themselves into something that might have a shot at winning in 2020 instead of spending time, money and their ever-dwindling reserves of credibilty on this trainwreck.
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There are already people on bbs saying it is to shuffle the Wikileaks drops off the front page.
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So what you’re saying is, Trump is down with the OPP?
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Alan Keyes is the guy Obama trounced by 50 points to get elected to the Senate.
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Maybe you can! I have a hard time having a reasonable conversation with someone who begins with the idea that they don’t owe anyone else anything. Because of course you do, assclown.
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The illos for the Boing Boing Trump coverage have been wonderful and awful.
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Yes and no. There’s no legal pathway for forcing him off the ticket. If Trump drops or dies there are a couple processes for replacing him. Basically the GOP has to hold another convention or something similar. Before November 8th. On zero notice. If he drops today (the 9th) that’s 30 days. All the delegates previously selected at primaries have to have a re-vote. There’s another similar process involving, again basically an intra-party vote. The last time this came up it was pointed out that the last hard deadline for replacing Trump was back in September. At this point early voting has already started. And Trumps name is already printed on the ballots. Votes already cast for Trump can not simply be counted as votes for his replacement. And votes cast for Trump if he remains on the ballot likewise can’t be assumed to be a vote for his replacement. There’s some recourse through the electoral college. Since we’re only technically voting to select electors that are bound to vote for a particular candidate. Those electors can go “faithless” and switch their vote to the new GOP nom, should any actual states (or districts in the case of Maine) go Trump. But several states bar electors from doing that. Large numbers of GOP electors are apparently DIE HARD Trump supporters and would be unlikely to follow through. And this situation would be totally pointless if anyone, especially Hillary, cobbles together enough electoral votes (which has been pretty likely for Hillary since step one) to take the win. The hope on that front is that between Trump. 3rd party candidates. Write ins. ETC enough electoral votes will be in the wind that noone hits the minimum threshold for a win. The election gets dumped to the house, and the House picks Trump’s replacement.
All of this is extremely messy. And most of it has never been tried before. Its almost certainly a recipe for serious division and infighting in the GOP and a whole fucking avalanche of law suits.
Which is why I’m reasonably sure the calls for Trump to step down are public dick waving. It’ll likely never happen, because it will make matters worse if it did. Even if it leads to a GOP win (somehow!). But if you’re a GOP pol in a down ballot race. A toothless demand Trump stand down is a great way to cover your ass for the future. Particularly if it never happens.
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This is what causes voters to disengage.
In a two-party system, this hurts both parties.
America has now officially sunk to a new low.
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Don’t be so negative! I have faith that America can sink even lower.
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From now on every time someone in the US asks how verifiable assholes like Putin, Duterte, or dare I say it, Hitler* were able to drum up a sizable portion of the population to support them we can point at this election.
We live in the age of mass media and the internet. No one can excuse themselves and say “I didn’t know he was such an asshole/racist/lier/misogynist”
*to clarify: I don’t think Trump is literally Hitler, but a racist idiot. But both showed their true colors before any election through available publications.
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No love for Johnson, Gove and Arron Banks then? Or Murdoch?
My list of candidates, taking both sides of the Atlantic into account, for dropping into a pyroclastic event is so large that the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano would barely be sufficient to provide enough lava.
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I wonder how much of that is genuine Trump support and how much a desire to get their pictures in the media and get front row places?
Never attribute to political conviction that which can be attributed to narcissism. And yes, I do have a number of politicians in mind as well as their followers.
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Are Trump’s positions really “antithetical to their values”? His opposition to free trade may be out of step with the rank and file but his positions on immigration and Muslims seem mainstream within the GOP, the party of people like Rep. Peter King. He may have changed his views on abortion but he’s not the first Republican candidate to do so, and Mike Pence’a open disgust for LGBT people is pretty much a plank of the party platform.
Beyond that I don’t really know what his ideas are since this election has been more about personalities than ideas than any other I can think of.
Maybe this is my own cynicism but I thought once the attempts to stop Trump’s rise failed Republicans saw him as potentially another W: an electable figurehead who could be counted on to serve as a distraction. The problem is Trump carries more baggage and can’t seem to stay on message. Policy-wise he’s probably controllable because he’s not really interested in the job, just the title, but that doesn’t do them any good if he loses.
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