Restaurant freakout in Santa Monica, California

I’m starting to think that I should make a webpage with my standard “please stop blaming the mentally ill for every arsehole in the world; we’ve got enough shit to deal with already” message on it, so I can just link to it in these threads rather than having to rewrite it every bloody time.

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But just because she’s high-functioning, it doesnt mean she’s not mentally ill. She’s obnoxious and irrational: she has “a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life.” Alternatively, could be a person with manageable schizophrenia who’s off her meds.

Yeah, dismissively classifying people as “assholes” is something that you would have in common with the woman in the video.

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Clearly, she’s an obnoxious arse. She may or may not be affected by some form of mental illness (personally, I doubt that she is; there’s nothing in that vid to strongly suggest that hypothesis), but that is almost certainly orthogonal to her behavioural choices.

“Aggressive misogynist hypocrite” is not a recognised mental illness.

“Neurosis” is an archaic Freudianism, BTW. It’s not a term used in modern evidence-based psychiatry.

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i get that, from time to time, we need to feel better about ourselves and so it’s good to see these kind of items to boost our air of superiority but is it really that neccessary, considering that this video popped up on 4chan /b/, like, three days ago, and the kind netizens of /b/ have already managed to find this woman, know her name, found her fb/insta/whatever else and are already doing a pretty good job of persecuting her?

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Clearly, she would have liked to be the girl kissing a guy at a restaurant. It’s the usual “If I don’t get what I want, then nobody should.” Just listen to how she fantasizes about the couple having sex in front of her food and how she calls the guy a fool, like he was some love interest of hers. Maybe she’d love to have sex instead of her food. Right? Also: a nose jewel is probably not what a puritan would wear. It signalizes sauciness.

Poor girl must be very frustrated.

Now I’m wondering how the UK managed to do it successfully (and with pubs too, not just stores).

I’d guess that it was because it wasn’t a nationwide thing, and just something that happened in Carlisle because you don’t want drunk people working in a munitions factory. Also, while the range of drinks was limited, they were well liked to the point that Cumbrian microbreweries are trying to reintroduce them.

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This was like the Hugh Mungus lady… but not as bad!!

My thoughts exactly. As soon as she exaggerates light kissing to “they were fucking” and “she’s and ugly slut” I started to try and diagnose her. I don’t know what it is but 10 will get you 20 that she is off her meds. Sad, really.

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Well, clearly not too many of us spend our time down that particular hole - this was the first time I saw it.

This is another issue but I’m not sure how to spend any time around the folks at 4chan and not become horribly unbalanced either in my views of them or in my views of the world. There is some extremely polarizing material and views out there. I found this video alarming and confusing but I didn’t feel like I needed to go find more examples of this type of behaviour. Is this selective skepticism and am I avoiding information that may change my fundamental world view that people are good? I’m not sure but I am pretty uncomfortable at the thought.

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I honestly think my reaction would be to just start laughing. Because that’s just so bizarre. I’m not even sure I would get angry about it because I’d be too baffled by the fact it was happening at all.

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i guess my point was less to do with the fact that it had already been a “thing” on 4chan for a few days and more to do with the fact that i’m not sure that i like that this sort of item appears on bb - scrolling through the comments here they are, for the most part, some variation of “ha ha, look at the crazy lady! (insert witty remark here)” and this just left me feeling sad.

i’m not sure how this post qualifies as a _mostly wonderful thing_™ other than to give visitors to bb the opportunity to feel superior to someone who may or may not be a MAGA-ite/jerk/have mental health issues/just having a sh*t day, reacted innapropriately and maybe seriously regrets her actions.

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I mean, there’s “I had a shit day and snapped at some people in line for taking too long to order”, and then there’s “I started screaming that two random strangers were fucking in public and threatened to call the cops”.

It’s way beyond the realm of I had a shitty day so I was rude to the Starbucks barista.

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ooooh. my bad. so then it’s totally cool for us to point and laugh at her. i get it.

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Getting shot for resisting?

I’m not sure why the person being an asshole is deserving of more sympathy than all the people who had their evening ruined. We should be nice to her? Maybe she should have been nice to them.

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There is a lot of discussion here about mental illness, and whether it applies to poor social conduct.

Most people who have never had a formal evaluation or diagnosis would not claim mental illness, but probably all of us would admit to experiencing depression at some point in their lives.

For most, mental illness is like alcoholism. At some point an individual might decide that their habits of thought (or drinking) have become too painful, problematic, or destructive to sustain any longer.

Each person has their own threshold. Some will change things after one bad incident, others may go their whole lives without questioning why others react to them negatively. And there isn’t any standard or correct way, as each person is living their own unique life and must have the autonomy to do so.

In both cases, shame does not drive change. It does reinforce coping mechanisms and old patterns, but it does not foster change.

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Pardon?

And for some crazy reason the same election that we took the liquor stores away from them for mismanagement we also decided to make canabis legal and guess who we put in charge of implementing the new complex system?

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You are only half right. Accountability is out the window, but it is out the window because the top classes of society are out of control and don’t get called out when they do something wrong. You can go into examples on whatever place of the political scale you are on. People like this woman see that and decide they too can get away just about anything.

Stop electing idiots and stop worshipping CEOs who break the law. Maybe things might get better.

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If you are qualified and willing1 to do so, then please share a specific diagnosis. If you are not able or willing to be specific, perhaps you could explain why you are willing to or feel qualified to diagnose her at all.


1. Keeping in mind the ethical guidelines of relevant agencies such as the A.P.A.'s Goldwater rule.

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