That’s fine, just be aware that you are part of the polarization problem.
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Don’t vote, vote third party or write someone in
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All of which will have the exact same effect as a vote for Trump. If Hillary loses, Trump wins.
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Fuck that noise, and unfuck anyone who thinks that burning the fucking house to the ground with everyone still inside it is a good way to “protest.”
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If you vote for Trump, you actively made an effort to help him win.
If you merely abstain from voting you failed to help stop him from winning.
The latter is foolish. The former is abhorrent.
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Realizing that simply pulling up the ladder behind them won’t be enough to stop the demographic shifts, they’ve decided to set the building on fire and go “Nyah nyah! When we’re gone you get nothing!”
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Consider the source.
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I agree with you completely… and I’m not defending anything Trump says. But as Hillary said, half of Trump supporters are deplorable and I’m pretty sure that we (liberal types and moderates) have failed the other half.
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That’s fair. But then the others are supporting a man who is demonstratively more corrupt and craven than Hillary, who has no grasp of the issues beyond jingoistic soundbites, and who is the perfect dictionary definition of both “narcissist” and “egoist”, and they appear to be doing it for purely partisan reasons. That’s just as idiotic as the actual idiots.
I have no idea what that future would hold. The global markets could crash simply on the news that he is the winner. His business history reveals someone who bends rules, breaks rules, screws people over, and is gleeful about it. How that would translate into being President I don’t know. It’s not the same as running a business, despite what so many people think-- Trump can’t just fire generals or congressman or judges, like I’m sure he wants to do. It might be Pence’s show with Trump just making appearances-- are you OK with President Pence?
Maybe, or maybe once she has achieved what is basically any politician’s final goal in the US she will be herself and stop worrying about consultants and focus groups (those are, after all, from the world of campaigning more than governing.) What will the real Hillary do as President? I’m willing to bet she will be more or less just like Obama: mostly center-left.
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Could you please expand on this? Not sure I understand.
Say, something like this?
But that gets overlooked because she also called the white supremacist half, with total accuracy, deplorable. So apparently respect doesn’t count unless you are actually respecting the core values of racism, xenophobia, and all other sorts of ignorance. And of course any respect for that is patronizing, which is itself disrespectful.
So congratulations, you now have a movement that’s made itself so horrible it can’t be treated with anything but contempt, and now get to try and blame people who won’t make excuses for it. Like the KKK, which just happens to support Trump, not that that’s a reason for introspection or anything.
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Well, Pence has openly said that his role model is Dick Cheney, and that he admires how much power Cheney had as VP.
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Bingo.
The guy who worked for Nixon, who thinks the President should have more power, who thinks torture is OK (but water-boarding isn’t torture, FWIW) and who almost single handedly gave us the disaster that is Iraq, a disaster we are still dealing with.
Now imagine him working with a GOP congress and maybe getting a Supreme Court pick in the process too.
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That’s an awfully heavy-looking bag of stereotypes. You should think about putting it down and walking away from it.
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I grew up there… St. Louis is a minor bastion of blue in a sea of red. Even back to the 1980’s I had to resist the urge to deck my peers in college after some of the racist idiocy that came out of their mouths when I went to college in a small town.
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Yeah, um, about that protest vote thing. Yeah, yeah, it’s your vote you can play how you want to with your toys, I’m not the boss of you, etc etc. But we all saw Brexit, right? And the protest voters who were startled it actually happened?
If you’re foursquare for Trump then sure, exercise your right. But if you’re not… then be willing to accept what happens if he wins. Because voting for him or not voting for Hillary amounts to the same thing when they tally results.
The last thing we need is the U.S. version of “Man Who Voted For Brexit Is ‘A Bit Shocked’ His Vote Counted, Is Now ‘Worried’” ( http://theslot.jezebel.com/man-who-voted-for-brexit-is-a-bit-shocked-his-vote-coun-1782553004 )
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…(breathe)…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…no! Wait! That’s so dumb! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…(breathe)…
Oh, but do tell.
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If one person starts talking how we should exterminate all cats for sport, and another is all “leave my pets the hell alone”, I suppose you could say they’re both contributing to polarization. But you could hardly expect the second person to compromise, or accept the view of the first.
Because the polarization isn’t really the problem, it’s that the first person is being impossible. And somewhere between rejecting very well understood science as a conspiracy, and asking for the country to ban specific minorities, I think it is entirely fair to say the Trump supporters have passed that line.
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I don’t think Clinton is an especially liberal candidate. She’s a status-quo conservative candidate. Like Obama. I do think she’s our best chance to stop the fascist candidate with the Nazi ties.
One way to vote against Trump is to vote for the leading candidate who is running against Trump.
Another way to vote against Trump, if you know and trust people who are voting against Clinton, is to pair off, 1 never-Trump voter with 1 never-Clinton voter, to vote for third-party candidates.
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Why is it that when somebody says something about liberals, it has to imply something about conservatives?
